BTR-ZD - is it a joke?

[Alexej]

Really? An vehichle from 70s at rank 4? Because for some reason they decided to use version without rockets...

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

finish with HE, if you can't disable it, it's a skill issue

Hurr durr side climb.. angle bla bla.

Let's pretend poor game design is a skill issue, game is perfect after all.

You not being able to kill an anti air with exposed crew Is a skill issue

[Groucho]

引用自 Tom：

引用自 Mirage：

Hurr durr side climb.. angle bla bla.

Let's pretend poor game design is a skill issue, game is perfect after all.

You not being able to kill an anti air with exposed crew Is a skill issue

Agree, it's an APC with a gun fully exposed, it's no super weapon and dosen't require a master degree to kill it

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

You not being able to kill an anti air with exposed crew Is a skill issue

It's not even in the game yet so your whole sentence makes no sense.
Fact is that no armor best armor is the meta for a reason, you can shoot a PT-76 with an FV4005 center mass and achieve nothing with.

That's just a plain lie because that's where the ammo Is and overpressure would trigger, you have no Idea what you're talking about

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

That's just a plain lie because that's where the ammo Is and overpressure would trigger, you have no Idea what you're talking about

Right, it just means you completely missed the point about how thin armor does not trigger fuses, so there is no overpressure.

HESH will detonate on impact on thin armor, so will HE, it will overpressure on contact, even certain APHEs with enough explosive will detonate 80% of the time

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

You can easily just look up the stat card of the FV4005 and look at the shell properties before arguing against it.. even HESH has some fuse sensitivity.

i litterally just tried it in game, overpressured on twenty out of twenty shots, even when shooting the back of the tank it one shots it, even when hitting the thinnest armor overpressure triggers, you need to stop spreading misinformation, yes HESH as a fuze, yes it will trigger on light armor

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R3 T20

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

i litterally just tried it in game, overpressured on twenty out of twenty shots, even when shooting the back of the tank it one shots it, even when hitting the thinnest armor overpressure triggers, you need to stop spreading misinformation, yes HESH as a fuze, yes it will trigger on light armor

There is armor thin enough to not trigger HESH, and most vehicles do not use HESH anyways and have fuses over 10mm, which is the main issue.

which still trigger on light tanks, unlike you claim, i have no issue overpressuring light tanks even with fuzes exceeding it, especially with things like the AVRE or FV4005

[Toblm]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

i litterally just tried it in game, overpressured on twenty out of twenty shots, even when shooting the back of the tank it one shots it, even when hitting the thinnest armor overpressure triggers, you need to stop spreading misinformation, yes HESH as a fuze, yes it will trigger on light armor

There is armor thin enough to not trigger HESH, and most vehicles do not use HESH anyways and have fuses over 10mm, which is the main issue.

Using the FV4005 Shell L1 as a standard.
The only material that I can find that will not fuse a HESH is the 1mm cab of the Russian milk trucks. And the 15mm of wood panelling on the milk trucks.

It will fuse on the 6mm US halftracks.

It will also fuse on the Chinese AA truck which has 3mm structural steel.

I cant think of anything solid between the 3mm and 1mm.

For the record anything that wont stop .30 cal at 1000m doesnt count even as light armor.

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

Protection analysis always triggers, it's not the same in game.

it pretty much is, unless you completely miss you'll overpressure, you can even land it close on the ground and overpressure

[Tom]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

it pretty much is, unless you completely miss you'll overpressure, you can even land it close on the ground and overpressure

You can't replicate stuff like this either
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/uy4f8r/what/

that's a very poor shot, no wonder it didn't activate, if it was slightly left or right he would've one shotted

[Alexej]

引用自 Eftwyrd：

引用自 Alexej：

Year of Production DOES equal BR, or at least it should - for simple reason of newer technologies used in production etc. Like it actually being able to be equiped with rockets (of course not in the game version for some reason) made agaist cold war threats that actually would be overkill for anything WW2 era had to offer.

you are literally arguing date = performance but that we should then not use performance but date instead for balance, colour me confused. thats some good doublethink you got there because we already balance on performance and date has some correlation but is not a viable substitute for vehicles which arnt 'state of the art', 'newer technologies' or simply not meant to directly face the best that exists in a straight fight etc.

just consider the fact that sometimes being able to produce thousands of crude vehicles on par with something generations older is more important than having far too few shiny state of the art vehicles, its the same reason navies in reality dont just consist of battleships. Besides that if we are not talking about a superpower the kinds of monetary investments to create 'state of the art' on par with the latest coming out of the US etc is not viable so nations build what they need, not the best in the world for their time

i really dont know why i need to be explaining that comparatively low tech weapons still exist and are designed to this day, much less that 10mm of lightweight aluminium 'armour' manufactured in the latter half of the century is not automatically better than anything manufactured 50 years earlier... or 23mm guns without the assistance of radar are that much better than guns of almost the same specification from years earlier just because they were manufactured later...

EDIT: you also mention 'rockets' presumably talking about the missiles the btr-zd carried, if you actually do the research it carried manpads for use by its passengers. they are not capable of being fired by or while mounted to the vehicle...

Thats NOT how it works irl. It only applies to Prototypes, that end up being to complex or expensive. All mass produced tanks were ALWAYS better, then what came before or were produced parallel to it.

[Toblm]

引用自 Tom：

引用自 Mirage：

You can't replicate stuff like this either
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/uy4f8r/what/

that's a very poor shot, no wonder it didn't activate, if it was slightly left or right he would've one shotted

Or if the T55E1 was running a larger ammo load. That spot models shells on high load counts.

[Tom]

引用自 Toblm：

引用自 Tom：

that's a very poor shot, no wonder it didn't activate, if it was slightly left or right he would've one shotted

Or if the T55E1 was running a larger ammo load. That spot models shells on high load counts.

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Tom：

that's a very poor shot, no wonder it didn't activate, if it was slightly left or right he would've one shotted

How is that a poor shot, it's a FV4005 against a fast moving T55E1, it's not an easy shot and it's center mass.

Point is that you cannot replicate this shot in the protection analysis either as it will trigger the fuse.

Learn how shells work

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They duct-taped the zsu on top of it with straps and ropes... you can hardly call that spaa, i would have prefered a Gaz Tigr-M SAM

[Toblm]

引用自 Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥：

They duct-taped the zsu on top of it with straps and ropes... you can hardly call that spaa, i would have prefered a Gaz Tigr-M SAM

Except USSR doesnt really need better AA at ~8.0+ where any SAM AA would be placed.