Tanks are obsolete in War Thunder right now!

[✡︎☭ Farmuhan ☭✡]

Only on top tier Ground Realistic Battle.
Everything was like Aircraft with laser and Heli with fire and forget missile. Totally tanks are obsolete in War Thunder.

[Just Terrible Gameplay]

Tanks are obsolete regardless of what BR not just top tier

[Tom]

Messaggio originale di Just Terrible Gameplay:

Tanks are obsolete regardless of what BR not just top tier

man it's like tanks weren't made to shoot down planes and that's why SPAAs exist, weird huh?

[hsf_]

Messaggio originale di Gravlar:

Messaggio originale di hi_1002:

I know how AA works. I often play AA. Most games where I use AA I get 1 or 2 air kills. It just isn't as fun as fighting tanks with other tanks.

Do you though?

https://thunderskill.com/en/stat/hi_1002/vehicles/r#type=army&role=spaa&country=all

I just checked my TS for my listed vehicles and apparently I've not played any games with any top tier SAM... The only top tier SPAA it lists for me is the OTOMATIC.

Edit: Never mind they are listed as "Other" for some reason.

[Fluffy Pocket Dragon]

Messaggio originale di FizzyElf:

So are the two of you saying we have birds in war thunder? because radar does not work as intended otherwise. If a plane as I mentioned is 2km off the ground and the radar proceeds to lock onto the ground and then follow the planes movement then there is a problem. (I mentioned this in another post but I'll mention it here) radar tracking should not degrade over time either but in game the longer you track something the further away the lock will get from the plane, the lock will actually move away from the aircraft (mid air, stationary and moving, no counter measures because the Alluoette and Scout don't have them and neither do the early migs or late props). If you can't hit a plane without the assistance of radar tracking then you are going to run into trouble when trying to protect your team, I have several radar SPAA's now for USA, Germany and russia (I am working on getting the veak for sweden as well) but for all of them the radar tracking mode is more or less worthless next to simply eyeballing it due to the issues mentioned above. If the issue is fixed then novice SPAA players won't need to worry and can simply rely on the tracking mode if its not fixed then some kind of test drive/tutorial needs to be add for SPAA players to learn how to lead targets and when best to start shooting that way they actually stand a chance of taking out enemy planes when the tracking mode screws up.

Dunno how you're running into those issues; I play SPAA for France, Sweden, and Britain, and I have never had the issue you're describing, you just adjust the shot dependent on where the thing is in the square, if you have to use radar, and you're almost guaranteed a hit. I have not seen it lock the ground as you describe, but the offset shift to ground level when there is a lot of clutter. Which isn't hard to account for, just shoot higher. It's pretty self explanatory that if radar solution is below target, correct it and fire. I have not hard radar degrade over time, unless the target moves into a direction that is cluttered. At which point, you'd expect radar solutions to degrade due to clutter. I'm sure you're thinking you're running into problems, but once you adjust correctly, it's not an issue. It takes practice, and I'm aware someone playing the big 3 wouldn't be interested in learning to play properly, but seriously. It ain't ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard.

[Idouts]

Messaggio originale di Shad1902:

Messaggio originale di hi_1002:

All I am saying is that if you need to play AA then tanks are obsolete. That is simply the nature of a combined arms game. If the AA manage to wipe out most aircraft in a game then tanks regain their usefulness. People just don't often play AA. Generally in the match up between aircraft and AA the aircraft is favoured at low to mid tier.

let me rephrase:

"I don't want to learn how AA works. Also, I don't want to play AA. In fact I just want a copy paste of WoT"

I would actually like a mode where aircraft do not come into play and arty is more effective. Its not fun to deal with air. Its a nuisance. I want to play tanks, not air.

[Toblm]

Messaggio originale di Idouts:

Messaggio originale di Shad1902:

let me rephrase:

"I don't want to learn how AA works. Also, I don't want to play AA. In fact I just want a copy paste of WoT"

I would actually like a mode where aircraft do not come into play and arty is more effective. Its not fun to deal with air. Its a nuisance. I want to play tanks, not air.

You have the wrong game in that case.

Or you can play custom matches...

[Idouts]

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

Messaggio originale di Idouts:

I would actually like a mode where aircraft do not come into play and arty is more effective. Its not fun to deal with air. Its a nuisance. I want to play tanks, not air.

You have the wrong game in that case.

Or you can play custom matches...

No, I have the right game. I dont want to play world of tanks as the mechanics are not the same at all.

Who even does custom games? I dont see anyone advertising their custom games on the steam forums.

[Toblm]

Messaggio originale di Idouts:

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

You have the wrong game in that case.

Or you can play custom matches...

No, I have the right game. I dont want to play world of tanks as the mechanics are not the same at all.

Who even does custom games? I dont see anyone advertising their custom games on the steam forums.

Custom games let you setup matches how you want to play them.

However they provide no progression.

[Idouts]

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

Messaggio originale di Idouts:

No, I have the right game. I dont want to play world of tanks as the mechanics are not the same at all.

Who even does custom games? I dont see anyone advertising their custom games on the steam forums.

Custom games let you setup matches how you want to play them.

However they provide no progression.

I never asked what they are. I asked WHO does them.
Also, no progression. That is totally what I want in a game that can take a month to unlock a few tanks.
Why are you against adding a mode without air? You would think adding more game modes and more variety would be a good thing.

[Toblm]

Messaggio originale di Idouts:

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

Custom games let you setup matches how you want to play them.

However they provide no progression.

I never asked what they are. I asked WHO does them.
Also, no progression. That is totally what I want in a game that can take a month to unlock a few tanks.
Why are you against adding a mode without air? You would think adding more game modes and more variety would be a good thing.

Who? People who cannot handle the existing game modes.

WT is a combined arms game. Ground is balanced to be combined arms. It is designed to be combined arms. If you dont want combined arms you are playing the wrong game.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Messaggio originale di Toblm:

Who? People who cannot handle the existing game modes.

WT is a combined arms game. Ground is balanced to be combined arms. It is designed to be combined arms. If you dont want combined arms you are playing the wrong game.

To be fair, saying balanced is a bit of a stretch

[OtherACTION]

When they ignore the players who play and listen to the select few who only play on the Dev server really hurts this game. Ground Battles are not GROUND anyways since there is no LIMIT for planes so an entire team can take a plane and steamroll the other which is complete BS. They want a COMBINED ARMS game but its MAINLY aircraft so the GROUND BATTLES mode is severely unbalanced since no one uses tanks anymore and those who do are forced into a corner by planes preventing the tanks to be used.

People always comments to use an SPAA but it seems they do not realize that SPAA are not viable when there are multiple planes continuously attacking fresh spawns and your spawn Protection does not last long enough to take aim and shoot them down. They are also mostly open top so any plane can just shoot them with high speed planes which are faster than their turret rotation speed. Because there is no Flak rounds for any SPAA, the chances of hitting a plane is lowered and needs a direct it which is harder to achieve when you are under fire from multiple locations against planes. Sure if your lucky you could take down 1-2 before getting killed but that is only if you are lucky enough to even survive. What makes it even worse is that console players have the Aim Assist even in RB which gives them a huge advantage which puts PC users at a disadvantage at finding enemies and having to guess the distance needed for SPAA.

With no limits in Ground Realistic Battles, in theory each player can use any number of planes in their lineup and use them in battle as long as they have enough SP & a minimum of 1 tank. So in all, each player could spawn 4+ planes each and 1 tank making Ground RB a plane match in the end, just a full on battle with shorter distance spawns.

Just know, the excuse the Devs/Moderators give about Tank Only Mode is that they will compare how tanks would act on a large air battles map of 64 x 64 km or 128 x 128 km which they are completely disregarding the maps they already have for tanks. So in their minds they cannot have a Tank Only Mode because they have planes on their minds 24/7 and instead of using locations of famous WWII tank battles, they are too worried about having planes everywhere. I mean I understand about the large maps, but ONLY for something like the World War mode which they have not done for a long time and even the maps used for tanks are not air maps and NOT in circulation for Air Battles so I do not see their point on their excuses.

[tonelock9]

Messaggio originale di DevilDaRebel:

“The time of the tanks is over. The age of the tractors has come.”

dam tractors with 105 guns sounds fun heres an idea its set to date of the ww2 era 1939 tanks - aircraft 40-41-42-43-44--45 - end of tier -then cold war tier 50-55-60-70 -70 -80 anything past 1980 is merely a press button war now maybe end it gulf war era arms combined air tanks artillery so on but as it is now its an appalling game and as so many have quit in disgust at the BR now has 3,0 v 4,7 tanks even 5,0 its far loweer then what you guys play prob but half of the peeps i know have long gone

[tonelock9]

idouts did you mean do away with aircraft altogether maybe do away with bombers in tank battles in tiers 1-3 artillerys wont destoy 4,0 tanks they will lower tiers /BR or direct hit will kill 4,3 not t s sure a tiger

[tonelock9]

the mix n match is not working now ya have a guy get 12 kills as his tanks is 2x higher Br then even his own team so that needs to be stopped the rate of people leaving doesn help and mix matches will add whats ever players are availble not sure in the high br tanks 6.0 plus it is the same