Why does M-51 even exist on 6.0 BR

[LonelyCookie]

Like...i dont get it :D

You can take whatever tank you want against them, angle like a god, all they have to do is just look at you with their 400mm pen gun and you might as well abandon your vehicle and the match because youre gonna be taking a huge L with you regardless.

[LonelyCookie]

Messaggio originale di PeoplesRepublic:

I like how the author doesnt mention the many many cons that the M51 has. Its high pen is literally its only good point. It has a long reload, terrible armour for its tier and HEAT just being inconsistent in general. Not to mention the .50 being removed.

I dont mention it because I dont play it. Already said so here in the comments. What I know is i get oneshotted no matter the distance, what tank, armor and angle i have :-D As the one on the "receiving side" of M-51s blessings, I see the clear advantages.

When the strat seems to be "sit far away with just the gun sticking out of the ground", armor, reload, speed are pretty ireleveant, no?. Since it can fire across the world and kill whatever it lays its eyes on.

It sticks out like a sore thumb in its BR matches, bringing whats "high tier"/cold-war penetration into late WW2 era tank matches.

[LonelyCookie]

Messaggio originale di Stridswombat:

Here's the thing with glasscannons mate. They can 1-shot you... But you can also just as easily 1-shot them if you just shoot them. If they do 1-shot you what does that mean? That you failed to shoot them first. The definition of a player skill issue.

I will just repost it: When the strat seems to be "sit far away with just the gun sticking out of the ground", armor, reload, speed are pretty ireleveant, no?. Since it can fire across the world and kill whatever it lays its eyes on.

[legaroojack]

Messaggio originale di LonelyCookie:

Messaggio originale di Stridswombat:

Here's the thing with glasscannons mate. They can 1-shot you... But you can also just as easily 1-shot them if you just shoot them. If they do 1-shot you what does that mean? That you failed to shoot them first. The definition of a player skill issue.

I will just repost it: When the strat seems to be "sit far away with just the gun sticking out of the ground", armor, reload, speed are pretty ireleveant, no?. Since it can fire across the world and kill whatever it lays its eyes on.

you mean kinda just like how you can do to it because of its bad armour? This is a skill issue bro.

[🎀Hara🎀]

the AMX-13 right beside it in the tree has less armor, a worse gun and is 6.7
trying to argue that the M-51 should stay at 6.0 while the amx-13 is 6.7 is like trying to say the KV-85 should be lower than the KV-1

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Messaggio originale di LonelyCookie:

Messaggio originale di Stridswombat:

Here's the thing with glasscannons mate. They can 1-shot you... But you can also just as easily 1-shot them if you just shoot them. If they do 1-shot you what does that mean? That you failed to shoot them first. The definition of a player skill issue.

I will just repost it: When the strat seems to be "sit far away with just the gun sticking out of the ground", armor, reload, speed are pretty ireleveant, no?. Since it can fire across the world and kill whatever it lays its eyes on.

All the things you said that are "irrelevant" are actually relevant to the br.

It's literally just a damn Sherman, again, the only good thing about it is the gun and you don't even get such of an awesome shell, it's a chemical one. It will detonate against bushes and will deal little damage if not aimed correctly. Only upside of it is that it's a 105 so it overpressures but that's mostly about it.

Its BR is fair

[Fyrliel]

Messaggio originale di Relentless Pursuer:

Because all that thing has is its gun. At that BR its armour is very bad. Sure it can pen everything, but it can also be penned by nearly anything. The heat round also isn't really too good. Often times you just wound the crew. I normally get kills, when the enemy brings too much ammo and get ammo racked.

The gun also bounces alot, so in close quarters the enemy should have an edge.

6.0 BR is good for it. In an uptier it often faces KT's, later IS versions and the M-51 is not on par with them. It can over come them, but that is it.

Same goes for the Nashorn. It's gun is good perhaps too good for the br it is at, but that is it. It fits that br, just like how the M-51 does.

People seem to forget the point of tank destroyers and heavies. Just because something has a good gun or armor doesn’t make it OP.

[Sedition]

When I play my Tiger 1s, panthers, the jagdpanthers or even the elephant or ferdinand, I see a truck load of M-51s. And that is not because its a weak tank without any armor that underperforms. It even takes out most of my ferdinands crew in one go from upfront and while repairing another hit by the same m51 or one of its many brothers does the rest. It should go up in br or it should be nerfed and I am sure it will be. Soon.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Messaggio originale di Sedition:

When I play my Tiger 1s, panthers, the jagdpanthers or even the elephant or ferdinand, I see a truck load of M-51s. And that is not because its a weak tank without any armor that underperforms. It even takes out most of my ferdinands crew in one go from upfront and while repairing another hit by the same m51 or one of its many brothers does the rest. It should go up in br or it should be nerfed and I am sure it will be. Soon.

Ironic how you say that the M51 should go up in br but you don't say any words about the jagpanther, which is 10 times better than the m61 and it's too 6.0 like the M51

That feeling of "but they pen me every time!11" is the same exact feeling you deliver using your jagpanther. 230 mm of penetration APHECBC at 6.0, 88 mm calibre.
Arguably the best shell in this whole br.
But no, the M51 which is literally just a Sherman with a powerful HEAT is op.

[Tom]

Messaggio originale di 🎀Hara🎀:

the AMX-13 right beside it in the tree has less armor, a worse gun and is 6.7
trying to argue that the M-51 should stay at 6.0 while the amx-13 is 6.7 is like trying to say the KV-85 should be lower than the KV-1

Autoloader, better mobility, more post pen damage, more reliable rounds, more survivable because of the front engine absorbing a lot of punishment, the M-51 isn't that great, you just suck
Let's also not forget better gun handling, faster turret, faster elevation...

[Sedition]

You already made it clear to me that you know that its op at 6.0. the way you are defending that tank. You probably drive it yourself. I have it too but I dont like Israël. Just more clutter the game doesnt need.
Its simply better than the jagdpanther, 6.3, or ferdinand, 7.0, and many other tanks at its br because of its turret because of its gun and because of the numbers. Its not that there are only one or two of them in a match.
But like I said, it will be nerfed.

[Tom]

Messaggio originale di Sedition:

You already made it clear to me that you know that its op at 6.0. the way you are defending that tank. You probably drive it yourself. I have it too but I dont like Israël. Just more clutter the game doesnt need.
Its simply better than the jagdpanther, 6.3, or ferdinand, 7.0, and many other tanks at its br because of its turret because of its gun and because of the numbers. Its not that there are only one or two of them in a match.
But like I said, it will be nerfed.

the only thing it has goin for it is penetration, every other aspect is terrible, if you think having good pen makes a great tank you're wrong, the jagdpanther at the same BR is leagues better, having more reliable armor, better mobility, better reload, more effectives shells because of HE filler, better gun handling....

[Mdgrim]

Allow me to introduce you to the Ratel 90[wiki.warthunder.com] OP

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Messaggio originale di Sedition:

You already made it clear to me that you know that its op at 6.0. the way you are defending that tank. You probably drive it yourself. I have it too but I dont like Israël. Just more clutter the game doesnt need.
Its simply better than the jagdpanther, 6.3, or ferdinand, 7.0, and many other tanks at its br because of its turret because of its gun and because of the numbers. Its not that there are only one or two of them in a match.
But like I said, it will be nerfed.

You are wrong as I do not have it.
No, it's not better than the jagpanther. Maybe better than a ferdi, but the jagpanther is simply superior.

It doesn't need to be nerfed, it's perfectly fine where it is.

Again for the 3rd time, it's just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Sherman with a good gun

[Ddinosaur]

M-51 is just annoying to play against
Heat-FS is just very irritating to play against

Israel is just another filler/copypaste nation, that we now have to deal with.

End of Story

[Stridswombat]

Messaggio originale di Ddinosaur:

Heat-FS is just very irritating to play againstEnd of Story

And it's even more annoying to use when every tiny fence and piece of track in the way eats the shell. HEAT is terrible to rely on.