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YaBoiBeanz 6/out./2022 às 16:32
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I am now 99% sure that Gaijin rigs games in favor of one team or the other.
After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right. Some games I watch a round turn 90 degrees into a tank when it should have ricocheted. For the longest time I thought angling your tank in this game was a myth because it never seemed to actually work in practice. Now I see it works unless you're in one of the predetermined games.

But why?! A fair game would be far more fun than knowing I only won or lost a match because Gaijin cooked the books. Maybe I'm suppose to react by going, "Oh no! I definitely would have won that match if only I had dumped more money!" ? Instead it just makes me not want to play.

This game would be SO GOOD if they could just focus on player experience instead of trying to milk us for every cent. I get they're a company who needs to make money but there's a certain point where you just quit caring about your customer and it seems Gaijin has hit that.
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Goofy Goober 16/out./2022 às 0:57 
Escrito originalmente por CyberStonka:
Escrito originalmente por prp426:
After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right.

Of course we do that. We really do not like players with nickname that starts on "p", people with brown hairs, players from cities that name starts on "e" and players who play on RGB keyboard.
All of them are put into one team (always BLUE) and we take over control on their vehicles to make silly things like driving around, shooting at road signs and MG all the fences.
Sometimes, when we are bored, we give one person from BLUE team to get 1-2 kills. It's funny to see (yes, we can see everything via super satellite live feed) how they are happy for few seconds. But then we reminds what we hate (nicknames on "p", brown hairs, cities on "e" and RGB lights) and we destroy their vehicles in flames.


Please stop making up conspiracy theories. You are not a center of the universe. Every day we have hundreds of thousands players on the server, you really think we care if you lose or win battle?
We wish you all the best on battlefield, but your failures are because of yours lack of skill/being out of focus/facing more skilled players. That's all. There is no secret code.
I know it's nice to blame all except yourself, but such road will lead you to nowhere.
Learn from your mistakes, you will become better and more skilled.
Blame others for your mistakes and you will stay where you are, frustrated and upset, because "everything is against you".
ok pal you cant fool us with your lies, were not sheep we know you rig the games FREE THINKERS UNITE
Pozieres 16/out./2022 às 20:07 
Escrito originalmente por Roman:
Escrito originalmente por CyberStonka:

there is no conspiracy from the devs to make all your games terrible, but at the same time they are unconsciously setting up the conditions by having premiums for brand new players without a reserve status.
Most of your games will be filled with people who have a premium tank/jet and nothing else in their lineup. Whichever team has the most of these players generally lose. Take for example the screenshot, many TURMS players with nothing else in their lineup to continue the fight

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2829163754

or the BMD players with no other tanks in their lineup because they have nothing else

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2584998699
Última edição por Pozieres; 16/out./2022 às 20:07
mrgjeep 16/out./2022 às 20:27 
Escrito originalmente por Wiesell:
I mean.... some maps have nuclear suns that are biased towards one side of the team.
Very True .
MiscOne 16/out./2022 às 20:46 
You guys asking for Source Code know its a Company which has to earn Cash right? And they are no Freelancers just doing the work out of fun? So by having Problems in the Game, and pissed players of this case, they earn less Money? So there is no Reason. Sure some decissions seems from Players view totally wrong. But in the end i doubt that they are made to piss of players...as again pissed players means less cash.

And yeah the Code has some bad happenings as example the IAM HERE iam NOT Shells...or Tanks which do get invensible. But its more Random and Rare then the normal game.
Última edição por MiscOne; 16/out./2022 às 20:47
Velico 16/out./2022 às 21:39 
Escrito originalmente por MiscOne:
You guys asking for Source Code know its a Company which has to earn Cash right?

I don't think anyone explicitly asked for source code, that was the dev's inaccurate response. What I'm guessing you're referring to is my post, which included this:

Table 4 of this article (peer-review) has metrics for gaming companies that include "workshops on lack of rules and/or inconsistent rules, code of conduct, lack of knowledge or professionalization regarding social concerns, unclarity in league structures and games, lack of transparency, lack of support or guidance for casual to professional players, lack of development of skills based on limited player knowledge, monetization issues and revenue model sustainability, etc."

By providing enough details for your playerbase to understand the underlying mechanics your company utilizes, you bring more professionalism to the gaming industry and to the eSports sector of it. Until your company acknowledges these issues, it will not be taken seriously. This is the nature of the industry, and Gaijin has repeatedly ignored these trends.

(source: https://www.ijesports.org/article/94/html )

Essentially what I was getting at was that Gaijin is not a sustainably-operated business, and that they encrypt, deflect, gaslight, blame, etc. the playerbase when valid criticisms and arguments are brought to them. They have a long history of doing this, and I've seen it since air beta. Their business strategy is rooted in 20th century models, and they continue to stick their head in the sand to industry trends, showing favor to maximizing profit goals. This negatively impacts the social component (playerbase).
Última edição por Velico; 16/out./2022 às 21:42
Santa Claus 17/out./2022 às 0:28 
Escrito originalmente por CyberStonka:
Escrito originalmente por prp426:
After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right.

Of course we do that. We really do not like players with nickname that starts on "p", people with brown hairs, players from cities that name starts on "e" and players who play on RGB keyboard.
All of them are put into one team (always BLUE) and we take over control on their vehicles to make silly things like driving around, shooting at road signs and MG all the fences.
Sometimes, when we are bored, we give one person from BLUE team to get 1-2 kills. It's funny to see (yes, we can see everything via super satellite live feed) how they are happy for few seconds. But then we reminds what we hate (nicknames on "p", brown hairs, cities on "e" and RGB lights) and we destroy their vehicles in flames.


Please stop making up conspiracy theories. You are not a center of the universe. Every day we have hundreds of thousands players on the server, you really think we care if you lose or win battle?
We wish you all the best on battlefield, but your failures are because of yours lack of skill/being out of focus/facing more skilled players. That's all. There is no secret code.
I know it's nice to blame all except yourself, but such road will lead you to nowhere.
Learn from your mistakes, you will become better and more skilled.
Blame others for your mistakes and you will stay where you are, frustrated and upset, because "everything is against you".

This is my kind of guy. Bravo CyberStonka. Tell it just how it is. Now nerf the damn ground a.i. AAA for Air RB. It sucks for Tier 3 and under. Leave the AF AAA uber. Chop chop.
Última edição por Santa Claus; 17/out./2022 às 0:30
DarthBob 17/out./2022 às 1:54 
lol
Zalzany 17/out./2022 às 2:06 
There is a literal term for this, where you make ♥♥♥♥ up for RNG odds to make it feel better as you get lucky or get screwed lol. Oh I forgot term Rimworld dev uses it to explain how game is a story generator. In this case you guys hate that statically you gonna end up with roughly the same win ratio most the time so come up with these grand ideas and myths that the devs are watching from a dark cave going "No he is gonna break the % seize him! Take him out of que and pair him up with the worst players in the game right now!" Its like no not even close.

If anything this is same as casino house always wins in the end, odds are stacked in their favor, and people show up thinking they will beat it, and then reach for any straws they can find to explain when they can't lol.
Leech's Share 17/out./2022 às 2:52 
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Escrito originalmente por Mr. Jellybean:

This thread in a nutshell:




Developer - Hey, I run a betting game in which for $1 players get to guess how many fingers I'm holding up on one hand. If they guess the correct number I give them $10 and if they don't I keep their dollar.

Shill - Wow, I won $100 already. You really cannot lose.

Random Person 1 - I played 10 games and haven't won a single time.

Random Person 2 - Me too. I played 25 games and haven't won once yet.

Random Person 3 - Seven games and nothing either.

Random Person 4 - I'm up to 32 games and have been successful.

Random Person 2 - There's something fishy. There should be a winner once every 5 games statistically. Each of us should have won at least once.

Shill - You guys sound like crazy people. I won, therefore you're all lying or stupid or both. The only reason I stopped playing is because I got bored of winning so much free money.

Developer - Ya! High five shill! This game is totally honest. You probably just don't have enough skill to win. There's no reason at all for me to cheat anyone.

Shill - Ya, Developer. These people don't understand basic logic. They're too focused on coming up with conspiracy theories.

Random Person 3 - It doesn't make sense that nobody is winning aside from Shill, the odds don't seem to reflect the win rate, and I could have sworn I saw Developer change his fingers twice when I guessed correctly.

Random Person 1 - I thought I saw Developer change their fingers too, but I had no proof. This isn't looking like it's an honest game.

Random Person 5 - Developer has eight fingers on their hand. There cannot be any other explanation. The game is rigged!

Random Person 4 - ... 250 games and still nothing. I made a spreadsheet which has data about each of my games which I'll attach below.

Developer - You'll all stupid and crazy. I won't allow you to inspect my game, but trust me that it's honest and everyone accusing me of wrongdoing needs to seek mental help. That spreadsheet Random Person 4 uploaded isn't proof of anything except that they have bad luck. Hard proof or GTFO.

...

Developer - Why are none of these idiots happy with my game? I don't get why nobody is playing...
Just walked in and this is how I see the thread exactly ^

But regardless of the topic, it's rather unbecoming of a "Developer" to begin their counterpoint with heaps of sarcasm, demean/insult players, and then end with the ultimate trump card: "get gud". Frankly, this behavior is what I've come to expect from the WT community, that of a petulant child, but to see a dev, a representative a company, act like this really puts me off.
I think I'll be taking a break.
Última edição por Leech's Share; 17/out./2022 às 2:57
Zalzany 17/out./2022 às 3:03 
Escrito originalmente por Mr. Jellybean:
Escrito originalmente por CyberStonka:
Already told you (or some other conspiracy fan), that no one will provide you a source code of live, multiplayer game. Such thing = end of game life.
If you think different, well, nothing can be done. You can live in your twisted world.

This thread in a nutshell:




Developer - Hey, I run a betting game in which for $1 players get to guess how many fingers I'm holding up on one hand. If they guess the correct number I give them $10 and if they don't I keep their dollar.

Shill - Wow, I won $100 already. You really cannot lose.

Random Person 1 - I played 10 games and haven't won a single time.

Random Person 2 - Me too. I played 25 games and haven't won once yet.

Random Person 3 - Seven games and nothing either.

Random Person 4 - I'm up to 32 games and have been successful.

Random Person 2 - There's something fishy. There should be a winner once every 5 games statistically. Each of us should have won at least once.

Shill - You guys sound like crazy people. I won, therefore you're all lying or stupid or both. The only reason I stopped playing is because I got bored of winning so much free money.

Developer - Ya! High five shill! This game is totally honest. You probably just don't have enough skill to win. There's no reason at all for me to cheat anyone.

Shill - Ya, Developer. These people don't understand basic logic. They're too focused on coming up with conspiracy theories.

Random Person 3 - It doesn't make sense that nobody is winning aside from Shill, the odds don't seem to reflect the win rate, and I could have sworn I saw Developer change his fingers twice when I guessed correctly.

Random Person 1 - I thought I saw Developer change their fingers too, but I had no proof. This isn't looking like it's an honest game.

Random Person 5 - Developer has eight fingers on their hand. There cannot be any other explanation. The game is rigged!

Random Person 4 - ... 250 games and still nothing. I made a spreadsheet which has data about each of my games which I'll attach below.

Developer - You'll all stupid and crazy. I won't allow you to inspect my game, but trust me that it's honest and everyone accusing me of wrongdoing needs to seek mental help. That spreadsheet Random Person 4 uploaded isn't proof of anything except that they have bad luck. Hard proof or GTFO.

...

Developer - Why are none of these idiots happy with my game? I don't get why nobody is playing...
Meanwhile in reality

Dev So made this team game right, wether you win or lose is up to the players on each team.

Player one : I win all the time, but not as much as I like.

Player two: I lose all the time its not fair!

Most players: My win loss is around 50%

Player two again: this don't make any sense I should be wining like 2/3 of the time like that other guy who only plays in groups! Game is out to get me!

Part of most players: Hey yeah I only win 52.92% of hte time I want win 2/3 like some one else too!!

Me : if some one is winning 2/3 of time it means other team is lossing 2/3 of the time

Player two: Shut up who asked you! Were trying to use math here to find out why can't every one in the game win 70% of more of the time!

Me: Because then some one still has to lose 70% of the time...

Dev: Meh we prefer average user to win like 50% of the time

Player two: shut up I want to win 70% and so do these other people this game is rigged so I suck!

Me: or you just suck...

Dev: going you know its impossible for you to all to win 70% of the time its pvp some one still has to lose, we can't just give you all trophies for showing up.

Player two: What my whole life I got a trophy for doing the bare min and showing up!


And love how you all got these crooked as hell doctored numbers like some how every one can win 90% of the time but some how no one has to lose more then 10% in your fantasy world. And then act like this is basic math skills. Or you google like the best player in game, and go "look at this ones ratio! I want to be like him!" Its like he only plays in groups under exact conditions, and has half the matches you did, and paid for exp transfers to unlock everything. "Yeah I want his numbers look he did half the matches as me and almost all in his favorite things with pre made group he selected with spreadsheet! I want that but when I am solo, in things I don't play well!"

Like only time I had a crazy high win ratio and its 100% possible I played with a super autistic dude who broke down each and every single persons stats, and use to make dream teams out of the 300+ guild members we had active and refuse to play unless grouped with them. Like he had actually dream teams for groups. Its why we had to kick him yes it was cool I got invited all the time for my ground kills and support stats, but once started refusing to play with certain people because they wouldn't work well in his current group he started super toxic. He got like 90% win ratio for 2 months, and refused to go out unless he had people on his cheat sheet grouped up we got so sick of him we had to ban him from voice, and the clan.

But its 100% doable you guys just want the worlds best money ball system but you half ass it. Look at some stats ignore most the data you actually got to break down, to do that good. Then go "how come my half ass math didn't work out?" Because you still factor in you suck, and your not a good team player into all this?
Última edição por Zalzany; 17/out./2022 às 3:11
In fact, due to drawn games counting as a loss for both teams the average winrate across the player base should be below 50%.

I'm no fan of gaijin but the idea that they rig things like penetration stats based on performance is just farsicle.
Zalzany 17/out./2022 às 3:13 
Escrito originalmente por kiro the avenger!:
In fact, due to drawn games counting as a loss for both teams the average winrate across the player base should be below 50%.

I'm no fan of gaijin but the idea that they rig things like penetration stats based on performance is just farsicle.
Exactly its not rigged its RNG no one complains RNG is in their favor jsut hwen they lose. Its like watching gambline addicts finish a good win streak then get pissed its like you rolling dice each time "no no I did the same thing even got the same lucky undies on!" Its like not how this works at all man...

Its like watching my aunt who has a "system" for the casino come back after she lost instead of won that weekend ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how its all rigged. "Its like well one it was never in your favor and your system is mathematically flawed its more of routine and superstition then anything concrete lol.
Última edição por Zalzany; 17/out./2022 às 3:15
Exactly, this is just normal RNG (and some non-computerised luck like the exact moment the enemy decides to push or whatever).

People are describing deliberate and malicious action to this stuff.

You see it in every game. Look at all the memes about Xcom and 95% hit chance (=95% miss chance).
It isn't, but people are taking 20 95% chances a game and can't believe it when one of them misses.

It's understandable, humans are terrible at intuiting chance and patterns (or lack thereof). But you'd expect people could at least consciously recognise the facts.
Zeno 17/out./2022 às 3:47 
Escrito originalmente por prp426:
After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right. Some games I watch a round turn 90 degrees into a tank when it should have ricocheted. For the longest time I thought angling your tank in this game was a myth because it never seemed to actually work in practice. Now I see it works unless you're in one of the predetermined games.

But why?! A fair game would be far more fun than knowing I only won or lost a match because Gaijin cooked the books. Maybe I'm suppose to react by going, "Oh no! I definitely would have won that match if only I had dumped more money!" ? Instead it just makes me not want to play.

This game would be SO GOOD if they could just focus on player experience instead of trying to milk us for every cent. I get they're a company who needs to make money but there's a certain point where you just quit caring about your customer and it seems Gaijin has hit that.

In my experience angling your tank does not do anything. Either you are being shot by a superior round and it goes through you like butter or you don't and it bounces off.
Bibliophylax 17/out./2022 às 3:49 
since volumetric shells, the ricochet calculation is garbage
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