I am now 99% sure that Gaijin rigs games in favor of one team or the other.

[YaBoiBeanz]

After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right. Some games I watch a round turn 90 degrees into a tank when it should have ricocheted. For the longest time I thought angling your tank in this game was a myth because it never seemed to actually work in practice. Now I see it works unless you're in one of the predetermined games.

But why?! A fair game would be far more fun than knowing I only won or lost a match because Gaijin cooked the books. Maybe I'm suppose to react by going, "Oh no! I definitely would have won that match if only I had dumped more money!" ? Instead it just makes me not want to play.

This game would be SO GOOD if they could just focus on player experience instead of trying to milk us for every cent. I get they're a company who needs to make money but there's a certain point where you just quit caring about your customer and it seems Gaijin has hit that.

[YaBoiBeanz]

Man, I'm so happy at the responses I got here. The fact that other people have noticed the same patterns and reacted the same way makes me feel less crazy. Ironically, the Devs response also solidified this feeling.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smeg:

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When this happens I usually just think.. oh its one of them rounds were not supposed to win and give up.

Bingo. If i find out I'm in a rigged match then I just go do stupid stuff in my cheapest vehicles until I'm killed. Based on other peoples perspective of the rigging pattern, I might now try to get killed very quickly without getting any kills (should be easy 'nuff) to see if it causes the algorithm to flip quicker.

Also, this is totally unrelated to this, but do't forget to rate games so other players can be forewarned. Obviously I won't tell you HOW to rate, just rate the game according to your heart

[CaptainSpacetime]

Hmm my tank died, must be because Gaijin has programmed in a system that changes penetration values on the fly in real time based on which account has more boosters

[Bibliophylax]

I think they can do this from players statistics, like k/d or the average score/match in recent activity.
Then code a match maker according to the statistic, matched with good players if you are in a bad period, and then a harder one if you perform too well.
I did a break of several month in the past, i was shocked of how good i performed the 1st hour. This kind of stats related mm exist in many multiplayers games. I guess it can be the case here.

Edit: The "vitality" stat seems to have an influence on the behavior of gun rounds to me. Or at least the difference between the shooter and the target at least.
I aced a premium tank over time, and it change my playstyle with it, mostly because i ricochet or survive many rounds i can't remember to have been the case before.

[EDSmike74]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bibliophylax:

I think they can do this from players statistics, like k/d or the average score/match in recent activity.
Then code a match maker according to the statistic, matched with good players if you are in a bad period, and then a harder one if you perform too well.
I did a break of several month in the past, i was shocked of how good i performed the 1st hour. This kind of stats related mm exist in many multiplayers games. I guess it can be the case here.

it is true that when you don't play for a few days the games are easier afterwards. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this too ;)

[YaBoiBeanz]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bibliophylax:

I think they can do this from players statistics, like k/d or the average score/match in recent activity.
Then code a match maker according to the statistic, matched with good players if you are in a bad period, and then a harder one if you perform too well.
I did a break of several month in the past, i was shocked of how good i performed the 1st hour. This kind of stats related mm exist in many multiplayers games. I guess it can be the case here.

Absolutely. Anyone that acts like this would be impossible to do is either your Class A WT Fanboy or a Dev.

[CaptainSpacetime]

So gaijin, a business, encourages more players to play their game by:

putting you in rigged matches so you stop playing

[Patriot03]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CaptainSpacetime:

Hmm my tank died, must be because Gaijin has programmed in a system that changes penetration values on the fly in real time based on which account has more boosters

Do you not realize how trivial that would be to program? Are you aware that DICE adjusts respawn time and cap speed in real time based on which team is winning/losing?

I'll remind you that I haven't accused them of doing anything yet (I'd have to collect a lot of data to substantiate any suspicion I may have) but you act like it's such a stretch to do.... It isn't.

[Bibliophylax]

In facts i think they are doing this to offer you a balanced experience in match, like a ranked mechanic. if you are good you face people of your game level ect... But the system over react frequently or you don't have players of your level in your BR range. i don't know.

[Patriot03]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CaptainSpacetime:

So gaijin, a business, encourages more players to play their game by:

putting you in rigged matches so you stop playing

Don't forget that their other game, crossout literally has a mechanic that stops rewarding you if you play too much in a week.

The game gives you "scraps" after matches, if you play 3-4 days in a row then for the rest of the week the game gives you literally zero scraps. It makes no sense, it obviously makes good players quit the game... Yet they do it...

[Bibliophylax]

I wasn't aware of this, about crossout. it's obviously a buisiness design, remind me of this quote..
"If it's free, you are the product"
War thunder is full of frustration mechanics to push you to invest money frequently, i'm sure we are all aware of this. The question is, how many of them did they implement in the game ? How many hidden ones we have not figured out yet ?

[CrOnA]

Oprindeligt skrevet af tvremote:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Vamilad:

No you're just experiencing the randomness of your team mate's skill level

No, it follows a pattern and it goes beyond just skill level. In air rb if i've been kicking ass and winning heaps of matches, then all of a sudden my missiles won't lock, flares wont work, cannons pass straight through my target etc. If i then deliberately throw a bunch of matches and die lots by flying into the ground then hey presto, all of a sudden things start working again. Then when I've had another bunch of 6-0 matches all of a sudden missiles become useless again etc etc

so you think gajin is changing the stats of your vehicles based on your amount of wins. Thats the funniest ♥♥♥♥ ive ever heard

[Your_White_Knight]

This goes to show what again how toxic the War Thunder player base is....

[Patriot03]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CrOnA:

so you think gajin is changing the stats of your vehicles based on your amount of wins. Thats the funniest ♥♥♥♥ ive ever heard

That is literally the foundation of skilled based match making... When taken to a further extent you get stats (cap speed) adjusted in real time in games like BF5.....

You think it's funny, we're just informed.

PS: And the community only found out about that because it's blatantly easy to test/prove, just imagine the things they can do and hide behind erroneous hit detection or RNG...

[CaptainSpacetime]

if i don't play for a few days the m18 goes double speed and easily pens Tiger II (h)

but after a few matches m18 is slow and can't pen tiger??

explain that gaijin stans

[EDSmike74]

why people become addicted and spend money, gambling and against you and since you cannot physically control the problem, you blame yourself and therefore play yourself by telling yourself to progress without ever succeeding because the game is rig.