I am now 99% sure that Gaijin rigs games in favor of one team or the other.

[YaBoiBeanz]

After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right. Some games I watch a round turn 90 degrees into a tank when it should have ricocheted. For the longest time I thought angling your tank in this game was a myth because it never seemed to actually work in practice. Now I see it works unless you're in one of the predetermined games.

But why?! A fair game would be far more fun than knowing I only won or lost a match because Gaijin cooked the books. Maybe I'm suppose to react by going, "Oh no! I definitely would have won that match if only I had dumped more money!" ? Instead it just makes me not want to play.

This game would be SO GOOD if they could just focus on player experience instead of trying to milk us for every cent. I get they're a company who needs to make money but there's a certain point where you just quit caring about your customer and it seems Gaijin has hit that.

[hsf_]

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Nguyên văn bởi prp426:

After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right.

Of course we do that. We really do not like players with nickname that starts on "p", people with brown hairs, players from cities that name starts on "e" and players who play on RGB keyboard.
All of them are put into one team (always BLUE) and we take over control on their vehicles to make silly things like driving around, shooting at road signs and MG all the fences.
Sometimes, when we are bored, we give one person from BLUE team to get 1-2 kills. It's funny to see (yes, we can see everything via super satellite live feed) how they are happy for few seconds. But then we reminds what we hate (nicknames on "p", brown hairs, cities on "e" and RGB lights) and we destroy their vehicles in flames.

Please stop making up conspiracy theories. You are not a center of the universe. Every day we have hundreds of thousands players on the server, you really think we care if you lose or win battle?
We wish you all the best on battlefield, but your failures are because of yours lack of skill/being out of focus/facing more skilled players. That's all. There is no secret code.
I know it's nice to blame all except yourself, but such road will lead you to nowhere.
Learn from your mistakes, you will become better and more skilled.
Blame others for your mistakes and you will stay where you are, frustrated and upset, because "everything is against you".

Conspiracies?

I mean Gaijin are not shy of a few controversies, let's be real here.

But, instead of looking at the broader picture you're focusing on the things that haven't been said. The player has never once said it's a conspiracy against him and only him, nor has he said that he's a good player. You're just bashing him for having an anecdote that doesn't fit your narrative.

Instead of explaining to them how it's not possible, you just ridicule them and that does nothing to solve the issue. There are plenty of times when you get 'gaijined' and here are some videos to prove it.

1). Ammo racking T-80 without killing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFmjC1dBW3A

2). Missile scared of it's target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0IfWJ-rV-s

3). Rubber HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxukW3jPl5U

4). Nuclear HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7a8J_T8nw

So please, without ridiculing me and telling me it's a skill issue or I'm blaming anyone but myself, explain these.

[EDSmike74]

Nguyên văn bởi hsf_:

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Of course we do that. We really do not like players with nickname that starts on "p", people with brown hairs, players from cities that name starts on "e" and players who play on RGB keyboard.
All of them are put into one team (always BLUE) and we take over control on their vehicles to make silly things like driving around, shooting at road signs and MG all the fences.
Sometimes, when we are bored, we give one person from BLUE team to get 1-2 kills. It's funny to see (yes, we can see everything via super satellite live feed) how they are happy for few seconds. But then we reminds what we hate (nicknames on "p", brown hairs, cities on "e" and RGB lights) and we destroy their vehicles in flames.

Please stop making up conspiracy theories. You are not a center of the universe. Every day we have hundreds of thousands players on the server, you really think we care if you lose or win battle?
We wish you all the best on battlefield, but your failures are because of yours lack of skill/being out of focus/facing more skilled players. That's all. There is no secret code.
I know it's nice to blame all except yourself, but such road will lead you to nowhere.
Learn from your mistakes, you will become better and more skilled.
Blame others for your mistakes and you will stay where you are, frustrated and upset, because "everything is against you".

Conspiracies?

I mean Gaijin are not shy of a few controversies, let's be real here.

But, instead of looking at the broader picture you're focusing on the things that haven't been said. The player has never once said it's a conspiracy against him and only him, nor has he said that he's a good player. You're just bashing him for having an anecdote that doesn't fit your narrative.

Instead of explaining to them how it's not possible, you just ridicule them and that does nothing to solve the issue. There are plenty of times when you get 'gaijined' and here are some videos to prove it.

1). Ammo racking T-80 without killing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFmjC1dBW3A

2). Missile scared of it's target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0IfWJ-rV-s

3). Rubber HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxukW3jPl5U

4). Nuclear HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7a8J_T8nw

So please, without ridiculing me and telling me it's a skill issue or I'm blaming anyone but myself, explain these.

Yes I can explain to you, the game is good rigging, the game turns against you, until you insert money into it, that was simple, wasn't it ?

[kiro the avenger!]

The point isn't "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ never happens" the point is "the game doesn't deliberately throw ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at you if you do too well, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just happens randomly regardless"

I know for a fact I'm the beneficiary of some 'gaijins' at times, with enemies bouncing what should be easy shots.

[Warlock]

If you've ever played a tabletop game with dice, especially a wargame that goes on for hours on end, or a roleplaying game - you are not having an abnormal experience.

I can't recall one single session of a wargame or roleplaying game that did not produce these same kinds of patterns, where dice are involved. There are peaks and valleys, and ridiculously unlikely occurrences in every game. Most people find this part of the fun, and can find amusement when it's happening to them.

If the dice, as the OP asserts, are weighted, there would not be any significant debate about it. And we would have to believe that all these people making the game don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about games, which is less likely than some people want to believe.

I will say that I have always observed a *different kind of randomness* with CPU RND generated numbers, vs. physical dice rolled on a table, in my experience physical dice are more "swingy" and CPU random numbers tend to be more , well, boring. But also in their sheer number, CPU will show crazy long peaks and valleys that seem ridiculous when you're in one.

[Wolwaryn]

this is all wired yes have experienced many weird things too like shooting a tank from side and no damage Pfff...

[hsf_]

Nguyên văn bởi EDSmike74:

Nguyên văn bởi hsf_:

Conspiracies?

I mean Gaijin are not shy of a few controversies, let's be real here.

But, instead of looking at the broader picture you're focusing on the things that haven't been said. The player has never once said it's a conspiracy against him and only him, nor has he said that he's a good player. You're just bashing him for having an anecdote that doesn't fit your narrative.

Instead of explaining to them how it's not possible, you just ridicule them and that does nothing to solve the issue. There are plenty of times when you get 'gaijined' and here are some videos to prove it.

1). Ammo racking T-80 without killing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFmjC1dBW3A

2). Missile scared of it's target.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0IfWJ-rV-s

3). Rubber HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxukW3jPl5U

4). Nuclear HEAT round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7a8J_T8nw

So please, without ridiculing me and telling me it's a skill issue or I'm blaming anyone but myself, explain these.

Yes I can explain to you, the game is good rigging, the game turns against you, until you insert money into it, that was simple, wasn't it ?

I pay money into it. It's got nothing to do with premium status as I am on a premium account and use premium vehicles/talisman vehicles.
If there is any rigging it's across the board and not limited to free players.

[Ponto]

Nguyên văn bởi Novastorm:

You need to know when to play or not, i parcialy agree with this post, not entirely cause 1 solution to maintain high win ratios are doing full squads with very powerfull players.
I myself play alot of games solo, but i also can have days playing in full squads with really badass skilled friends i got over the years, thats how i maintain my positive stats.
Playing solo if i reach 6 loss ratio i imidiatly giveup and try another day, this works for me.
Have days im playing solo and winning all games so i keep going to win more, another days are the opposite, start to lose games one after another, reach like 6 losses quit for that day.

Trying to isolate why these trends happen is the whole crux of the problem. The magic behind the match maker mayhem is an awesome thing to behold.

[Velico]

Nguyên văn bởi Ponto:

Trying to isolate why these trends happen is the whole crux of the problem. The magic behind the match maker mayhem is an awesome thing to behold.

Adding to the quandary, as we see in this thread from a dev, is the lack of transparency and accountability. They would rather waste our time with strawman arguments (or at the very least avoiding actually trying to dispel concerns in a professional manner) and ridicule. Says a lot about the company in my opinion. They are stuck in an old, linear economic model where profit gain is the only consideration, and any proprietary information is shrouded in guesswork. People have been putting internal and external pressure on them since air beta and they do not care, as you can see with the mockery of the dev's post. Unfortunately nothing will likely happen until real competition comes along. So for me, until that happens, Gaijin will receive negative commentary and no money from myself and many of my friends (most of which have all but quit again).

[CyberStonka]

Even more made up stories? What next, if you pay 5$ you will get 5 victories in a row?
You cannot buy skill.
Match Maker do not care if you support game development or not. If you have premium account or not. All players are equal for MM.
If you state different, please provide real profs or stop accusing us on such things.

[hsf_]

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Even more made up stories? What next, if you pay 5$ you will get 5 victories in a row?
You cannot buy skill.
Match Maker do not care if you support game development or not. If you have premium account or not. All players are equal for MM.
If you state different, please provide real profs or stop accusing us on such things.

So you're going to ignore the 4 videos I posted?

[CyberStonka]

Nguyên văn bởi hsf_:

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Even more made up stories? What next, if you pay 5$ you will get 5 victories in a row?
You cannot buy skill.
Match Maker do not care if you support game development or not. If you have premium account or not. All players are equal for MM.
If you state different, please provide real profs or stop accusing us on such things.

So you're going to ignore the 4 videos I posted?

Client side videos? Yes, I will ignore them. If you want to share anything that happened in battle, please use server replays, they are independent on your connection etc.
If you think you have found a bug, please take a minute and provide valid bug report here: https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder

If you think that during ~3000 battles at same time bugs cannot happen, well, I appreciate your faith in game code, but I do not know any game, that is bugless.
If you think that these are not bugs but intentional game mechanics, well, you already know my opionion on such ideas - silly conspiracy theories of people who need to blame everything because they lost the battle.

[Nenne.]

conspiracy theories is not something that is made up.
it comes from the lack of open communicating from the other part and that they are hiding or lying about things.

If a part want to get rid of this teories they can just lay all the cards on the table and they will go away..

its just as simple as that.

Jetfuel cant melt steelbeams.

[magazine2]

Nguyên văn bởi prp426:

After a while it gets hard to deny all the games where I landed a perfect shot with no damage only to be one-shot or the games where I can take 137 shots on my tank while knocking out enemies left and right. Some games I watch a round turn 90 degrees into a tank when it should have ricocheted. For the longest time I thought angling your tank in this game was a myth because it never seemed to actually work in practice. Now I see it works unless you're in one of the predetermined games.

But why?! A fair game would be far more fun than knowing I only won or lost a match because Gaijin cooked the books. Maybe I'm suppose to react by going, "Oh no! I definitely would have won that match if only I had dumped more money!" ? Instead it just makes me not want to play.

This game would be SO GOOD if they could just focus on player experience instead of trying to milk us for every cent. I get they're a company who needs to make money but there's a certain point where you just quit caring about your customer and it seems Gaijin has hit that.

Games are not rigged.

[Velico]

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Even more made up stories? What next, if you pay 5$ you will get 5 victories in a row?
You cannot buy skill.
Match Maker do not care if you support game development or not. If you have premium account or not. All players are equal for MM.
If you state different, please provide real profs or stop accusing us on such things.

It's sad to see the antagonizing approach you take towards complaints that have been discussed for years. I can go back into my war thunder beta forum access and dig up so many threads talking about these types of issues, and yet you have the audacity to suggest "more made up stories". You know well that your company encrypts files and limits external access to information necessary to levy "real profs" (whatever the hell that means, I'll assume "real proof"). Again, your comments show a lack of accountability and transparency. If you truly want to dispel these "conspiracy theories" (your dismissive words, not ours), give public access so that we aren't reliant on your--or any other Gaijin employee--words.

[CyberStonka]

Nguyên văn bởi Velico:

Nguyên văn bởi CyberStonka:

Even more made up stories? What next, if you pay 5$ you will get 5 victories in a row?
You cannot buy skill.
Match Maker do not care if you support game development or not. If you have premium account or not. All players are equal for MM.
If you state different, please provide real profs or stop accusing us on such things.

It's sad to see the antagonizing approach you take towards complaints that have been discussed for years. I can go back into my war thunder beta forum access and dig up so many threads talking about these types of issues, and yet you have the audacity to suggest "more made up stories". You know well that your company encrypts files and limits external access to information necessary to levy "real profs" (whatever the hell that means, I'll assume "real proof"). Again, your comments show a lack of accountability and transparency. If you truly want to dispel these "conspiracy theories" (your dismissive words, not ours), give public access so that we aren't reliant on your--or any other Gaijin employee--words.

Oh, I am sorry, dunno if I understand you correct. You expect us to show you WT source code? It should be public for everyone? So next day we can close the servers and do something else, because such thing will destroy WT (cheats and exploits)? That's your idea?
And if we will not, you will still believe in silly "game is rigged" theories? Well, you know what, I will risk and leave you in your imagined world where game is developed to make you lose the battle, but and allow WT to live its life and be playable for millions of players. Sorry.