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Cadako 2022 年 9 月 27 日 上午 7:33
What's the secret to using radar guided missiles?
I'm clearly doing it wrong.

When they're used against me, I evade them like 10% of the time.

When I used them on others, it seems like it takes years to finally lock the target, only for my missile to maybe track and if it does, it's easily broken.

Is there some set of steps I should be doing to better lock targets and track them?

It seems my enemies immediately are able to lock and fire their missiles on me and I just can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
引用自 Jaes:
引用自 Cadako
So first of all, this is super duper informative. Thank you so dang much.

I already tested out ACM, which I had no clue about and wasn't using and you're totally right about that probably being the case for how I was so quickly being locked and fired on compared to what I was doing.

I managed to get a kill fairly easily because of this my first time using it.

The aircraft I was referring to was the F-4J with AIM-7E-2 missiles.

Glad to hear it!

AIM-7E-2 is a good missile and the Phantom platform utilizes it well. Some general tips:

Ideal Kill Range: 5.5km-7km

If you fire an AIM-7E-2 within this distance radius, you're more than likely going to get a kill. E-2's have a very high launch and burn velocity. While using the E-2s, you'll want to try to set up your engagements with this distance in mind. This does put you at a disadvantage against aircraft equipped with the AIM-7F as they can engage you from further away, but if they try to fire back at you within the noted kill distance, your missile will reach them first, even if they fire first so long as you fire off your shot within 2.5 seconds of their launch.

Yes, I've timed this lol. And that 2.5 seconds feels a lot longer than it actually is.


Reading your Radar Scope:

I highly recommend setting your radar scope distance to 46km on the F-4J. This gives you the best situational awareness possible in order to locate potential targets and figuring out which one(s) are going to be the best for your aircraft to engage.

Waiting until the last moment:

This is primarily going to refer to engaging with ACM mode on the F-4J. You want to wait until the absolute last moment to lock on to your potential target to give them the least amount of time possible to defend against your attack. As soon as you lock them, their RWR (assuming they have one) is going to go off and let them know you're engaging them. You're going to want to practice achieving that lock and launching your Sparrow as quickly as possible.

Here's a screenshot of what good potential targets will look like on your radar scope before you engage ACM for both the AIM-7E-2 and the AIM-7F along with my excellent usage of MS Paint skills.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2868480750


Anything under the first line of your Radar Scope is at or less than 10km distance and ideal for AIM-7E-2s. I added a fantastic line of the approximate location of 15km on the radar scope, which is the ideal kill zone for an AIM-7F when you get your hands on it.

If you wait to engage your ACM until your potential targets are under those lines, as well as keeping the best target principles in mind (target moving towards you Great, target moving away from you Bad), your kill rate with Sparrows will rise dramatically.

Once you understand how to employ Sparrows correctly, you will understand how to better defend against them as well.
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JuX 2022 年 9 月 27 日 上午 8:08 
When it comes to early sparrows they pretty much don't work at all on rear- and side aspect shots. Regardless of the painted target they just self-destruct instead. While in head-on engagements they seem to track and actually hit.

Altitude is also a factor in getting a lock. It's more difficult to lock on someone flying near ground level.

Chaff is the ultimate measure to stop radar missile on it's track. It breaks the lock rather easily and makes it more difficult to re-acquire you.
Jaes 2022 年 9 月 27 日 上午 8:16 
What aircraft and missile(s) are you using?

SARH missiles are very dependent on the launch platform's radar capabilities so advice on how to use your weapon system is subjective to the aircraft/missile(s).

The AWG-9 radar array on the F-14 is more vulnerable to Notch maneuvers while the AN/APG-59 found on the F-4J can maintain a lock against a Notch'd target for a longer period of time before it loses lock. If you're the defending aircraft against an F-4J, you need to achieve the Notch position sooner against it than you do when defending against the F-14 because it takes longer for the F-4J's lock to lose track of you.

A small, but important nuance that a lot of folks don't pay attention to.


In general though, make sure to go through your radar control settings and bind a key for every function.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Airborne_radars#Airborne_radar_controls

Would highly recommend reviewing this wiki page.


As far as the commentary on how folks are locking you quicker than you are, it is more than likely ACM mode (Air Combat Maneuver). This is a "short" range bore-sight radar lock mode that will lock onto and target the first thing that comes within its range off your aircraft's nose. This is the most reliable way to lock and track a maneuvering target at the cost of being able to lock the target at BVR (Beyond Visual Range).

Not all ACM modes are the same though! Phantom IIs can lock at 19km while F-14s can only do 9km. In the current state of SARH missiles, whomever fires first almost always wins.


The best condition to launch your SARH is against a target that is accelerating towards you, aka a front aspect shot and this primarily has to do with how the current generation airborne radar arrays work to calculate target data. Great at tracking things moving towards you, not so great at tracking things moving away from you.

Front Aspect: Best Shot

Stern/Flank Shot: Gambling

Rear Shot: You are definitely most likely going to miss this shot so don't rely on it


Gaijin buffed the tracking logic for Sparrows and other SARH missiles with the Drone Age update so they're a lot more reliable in striking and tracking targets right now than they ever have been before. Taking some time to understand how your radar works, what the best conditions to use it in, and avoiding the conditions its bad in are important aspects to your top tier missile slinging experience.
Cadako 2022 年 9 月 27 日 上午 11:10 
引用自 Jaes
What aircraft and missile(s) are you using?

SARH missiles are very dependent on the launch platform's radar capabilities so advice on how to use your weapon system is subjective to the aircraft/missile(s).

The AWG-9 radar array on the F-14 is more vulnerable to Notch maneuvers while the AN/APG-59 found on the F-4J can maintain a lock against a Notch'd target for a longer period of time before it loses lock. If you're the defending aircraft against an F-4J, you need to achieve the Notch position sooner against it than you do when defending against the F-14 because it takes longer for the F-4J's lock to lose track of you.

A small, but important nuance that a lot of folks don't pay attention to.


In general though, make sure to go through your radar control settings and bind a key for every function.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/Airborne_radars#Airborne_radar_controls

Would highly recommend reviewing this wiki page.


As far as the commentary on how folks are locking you quicker than you are, it is more than likely ACM mode (Air Combat Maneuver). This is a "short" range bore-sight radar lock mode that will lock onto and target the first thing that comes within its range off your aircraft's nose. This is the most reliable way to lock and track a maneuvering target at the cost of being able to lock the target at BVR (Beyond Visual Range).

Not all ACM modes are the same though! Phantom IIs can lock at 19km while F-14s can only do 9km. In the current state of SARH missiles, whomever fires first almost always wins.


The best condition to launch your SARH is against a target that is accelerating towards you, aka a front aspect shot and this primarily has to do with how the current generation airborne radar arrays work to calculate target data. Great at tracking things moving towards you, not so great at tracking things moving away from you.

Front Aspect: Best Shot

Stern/Flank Shot: Gambling

Rear Shot: You are definitely most likely going to miss this shot so don't rely on it


Gaijin buffed the tracking logic for Sparrows and other SARH missiles with the Drone Age update so they're a lot more reliable in striking and tracking targets right now than they ever have been before. Taking some time to understand how your radar works, what the best conditions to use it in, and avoiding the conditions its bad in are important aspects to your top tier missile slinging experience.

So first of all, this is super duper informative. Thank you so dang much.

I already tested out ACM, which I had no clue about and wasn't using and you're totally right about that probably being the case for how I was so quickly being locked and fired on compared to what I was doing.

I managed to get a kill fairly easily because of this my first time using it.

The aircraft I was referring to was the F-4J with AIM-7E-2 missiles.
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Jaes 2022 年 9 月 27 日 下午 1:06 
引用自 Cadako
So first of all, this is super duper informative. Thank you so dang much.

I already tested out ACM, which I had no clue about and wasn't using and you're totally right about that probably being the case for how I was so quickly being locked and fired on compared to what I was doing.

I managed to get a kill fairly easily because of this my first time using it.

The aircraft I was referring to was the F-4J with AIM-7E-2 missiles.

Glad to hear it!

AIM-7E-2 is a good missile and the Phantom platform utilizes it well. Some general tips:

Ideal Kill Range: 5.5km-7km

If you fire an AIM-7E-2 within this distance radius, you're more than likely going to get a kill. E-2's have a very high launch and burn velocity. While using the E-2s, you'll want to try to set up your engagements with this distance in mind. This does put you at a disadvantage against aircraft equipped with the AIM-7F as they can engage you from further away, but if they try to fire back at you within the noted kill distance, your missile will reach them first, even if they fire first so long as you fire off your shot within 2.5 seconds of their launch.

Yes, I've timed this lol. And that 2.5 seconds feels a lot longer than it actually is.


Reading your Radar Scope:

I highly recommend setting your radar scope distance to 46km on the F-4J. This gives you the best situational awareness possible in order to locate potential targets and figuring out which one(s) are going to be the best for your aircraft to engage.

Waiting until the last moment:

This is primarily going to refer to engaging with ACM mode on the F-4J. You want to wait until the absolute last moment to lock on to your potential target to give them the least amount of time possible to defend against your attack. As soon as you lock them, their RWR (assuming they have one) is going to go off and let them know you're engaging them. You're going to want to practice achieving that lock and launching your Sparrow as quickly as possible.

Here's a screenshot of what good potential targets will look like on your radar scope before you engage ACM for both the AIM-7E-2 and the AIM-7F along with my excellent usage of MS Paint skills.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2868480750


Anything under the first line of your Radar Scope is at or less than 10km distance and ideal for AIM-7E-2s. I added a fantastic line of the approximate location of 15km on the radar scope, which is the ideal kill zone for an AIM-7F when you get your hands on it.

If you wait to engage your ACM until your potential targets are under those lines, as well as keeping the best target principles in mind (target moving towards you Great, target moving away from you Bad), your kill rate with Sparrows will rise dramatically.

Once you understand how to employ Sparrows correctly, you will understand how to better defend against them as well.
最後修改者:Jaes; 2022 年 9 月 27 日 下午 1:08
Cadako 2022 年 9 月 27 日 下午 1:34 
引用自 Jaes
引用自 Cadako
So first of all, this is super duper informative. Thank you so dang much.

I already tested out ACM, which I had no clue about and wasn't using and you're totally right about that probably being the case for how I was so quickly being locked and fired on compared to what I was doing.

I managed to get a kill fairly easily because of this my first time using it.

The aircraft I was referring to was the F-4J with AIM-7E-2 missiles.

Glad to hear it!

AIM-7E-2 is a good missile and the Phantom platform utilizes it well. Some general tips:

Ideal Kill Range: 5.5km-7km

If you fire an AIM-7E-2 within this distance radius, you're more than likely going to get a kill. E-2's have a very high launch and burn velocity. While using the E-2s, you'll want to try to set up your engagements with this distance in mind. This does put you at a disadvantage against aircraft equipped with the AIM-7F as they can engage you from further away, but if they try to fire back at you within the noted kill distance, your missile will reach them first, even if they fire first so long as you fire off your shot within 2.5 seconds of their launch.

Yes, I've timed this lol. And that 2.5 seconds feels a lot longer than it actually is.


Reading your Radar Scope:

I highly recommend setting your radar scope distance to 46km on the F-4J. This gives you the best situational awareness possible in order to locate potential targets and figuring out which one(s) are going to be the best for your aircraft to engage.

Waiting until the last moment:

This is primarily going to refer to engaging with ACM mode on the F-4J. You want to wait until the absolute last moment to lock on to your potential target to give them the least amount of time possible to defend against your attack. As soon as you lock them, their RWR (assuming they have one) is going to go off and let them know you're engaging them. You're going to want to practice achieving that lock and launching your Sparrow as quickly as possible.

Here's a screenshot of what good potential targets will look like on your radar scope before you engage ACM for both the AIM-7E-2 and the AIM-7F along with my excellent usage of MS Paint skills.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2868480750


Anything under the first line of your Radar Scope is at or less than 10km distance and ideal for AIM-7E-2s. I added a fantastic line of the approximate location of 15km on the radar scope, which is the ideal kill zone for an AIM-7F when you get your hands on it.

If you wait to engage your ACM until your potential targets are under those lines, as well as keeping the best target principles in mind (target moving towards you Great, target moving away from you Bad), your kill rate with Sparrows will rise dramatically.

Once you understand how to employ Sparrows correctly, you will understand how to better defend against them as well.

Thanks man! This is great stuff and I will be referring back to your comments a ton no doubt.
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