how well will MiG-29A go against the F-14A?

[sbinnala64]

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

[OneEye]

How is the stand-off weaponry of the Mig29? That will be the deciding factor at the outset.

[Jaes]

Honestly, it depends on what version and what weapons Gaijin gives it. Early MiG-29s were pretty meh and while they did get access to some of the newer and improve weapon systems available to the USSR, they wouldn't supersede what the F-14 already has in game.

And that's going to be a fundamental problem with NATO vs. USSR equipment.

[halolo39]

those two are fundamentally different in aircraft philosophy, Mig-29 is a point defense fighter designed to intercept a short radius so the plane lacks of a powerful radar(for longer range missiles) and small fuel tank. F-14 is a fleet defense fighter, designed for long patrols and a radar to detect large bomber formations with the accompaniment of long range missiles.

[.dL.TactAssassin]

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

May I ask why? MiG-29 was made to counter F15s and f16s... Not 14s. Why add another plane that will dominate everything else until X plane is added? I honestly don't think we need mig-29s yet.

Update old planes first with newer weapons/ variants first.

[dipirona4100]

in war thunder type of gameplay i think the mig29 will overperform the f14, the f14 is pretty good at medium to long range (10 to 15km ++) and at high altitudes, the phoenix have a really bad acceleration, the mig in other hands is a much more powerful fighter and better at maneuvers.
If the mig comes with a good weapon set i think it will dominate.

[xCrossFaith]

I assume the F14 will have the edge at long ranges but the 29 will outclass it in a close range fight

Originally posted by .dL.TactAssassin:

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

I honestly don't think we need mig-29s yet.

Update old planes first with newer weapons/ variants first.

Keep in mind that point is only valid if you don't have the F14 yet

I agree about upgrading other planes first tho

[Qonqueror]

The Mig-29A will only get 2x R-27R/T + 4x R-60M and have a competitive Pulse-Doppler Radar. (a bit worse than the EJ Kai Radar)

It would have two very good SARH Missiles, but without the R-73 IR Missiles it is not OP at all. (R-60M are no threat to anyone with awareness and Flares)



You will still play the same against Tomcats like with the MLD/MLA currently (hug the ground to deny BVR), but the Mig-29A will have better Dogfighting capabilites (Engine Power) and a GSh-30-1 with better Velocity.



BTW: We probably will have to wait ages for a Su-27, because the Soviets/Russians never used R-60s on it. So Gaijin needs to balance the R-73s first, before they can think about adding it.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

Neither Su-27 or MiG-29 & MiG-31 will be added to the game any time soon the MiG-23MLA/MLD 1984 & MiG-27 attacker variants will be the top line for now, they need to add proper counterparts first beginning with F-16A/C ,F/A-18A+, F-15C, & F-14B all of them were released prior 1984 and then we can talk about russian modern jets, usa playerbase is larger and we will get the stuff we deserve first.

[Qonqueror]

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

Neither Su-27 or MiG-29 & MiG-31 will be added to the game any time soon the MiG-23MLA/MLD 1984 & MiG-27 attacker variants will be the top line for now, they need to add proper counterparts first beginning with F-16A/C ,F/A-18A+, F-15C, & F-14B all of them were released prior 1984 and then we can talk about russian modern jets, usa playerbase is larger and we will get the stuff we deserve first.

Why should the USSR get shafted ingame just because they were a bit slower with developing 4th Gen Fighters? (US late Cold War Military spending bias)
A Mig-29A without R-73s would be pretty balanced, even at 11.3. (in case the F-14A stays at 11.3, but both can go up if Gaijin adds higher BRs)


And its funny that you talk about proper counterparts, since the F-14A got released with no counterparts too. Its only balanced by the smaller maps in the ARB Rotation (RIP SIM) and the Wallet Warriors that can't do ♥♥♥♥ with it.
(They didn't even give underperforming planes like the F-4F better Missiles to counter the Tomcat + Italys Top Plane is still a upgraded 2nd Gen Figher )

[Jaes]

Originally posted by TGR Qonqueror:

Why should the USSR get shafted ingame just because they were a bit slower with developing 4th Gen Fighters? (US late Cold War Military spending bias)
A Mig-29A without R-73s would be pretty balanced, even at 11.3. (in case the F-14A stays at 11.3, but both can go up if Gaijin adds higher BRs)


And its funny that you talk about proper counterparts, since the F-14A got released with no counterparts too. Its only balanced by the smaller maps in the ARB Rotation (RIP SIM) and the Wallet Warriors that can't do ♥♥♥♥ with it.
(They didn't even give underperforming planes like the F-4F better Missiles to counter the Tomcat + Italys Top Plane is still a upgraded 2nd Gen Figher )

I really don't understand why Gaijin didn't give MiG-23s the R-60Ms with the F-14 update. Yeah, F-14 would still technically have the advantage, but it would've given MiG-23 more options.

Never understood why the German Phantom doesn't have access to AIM-9Ls now. Hell, you could give AIM-9Ls to most Phantoms. It's not like any of the IR missiles aren't super sensitive to flares anyways with how Countermeasures currently work.

It kinda seems like they're extremely hesitant to make those kind of changes because they don't want an F-4E/MiG-21Bis/MiG-23M issue all over again where a new plane was introduced and created a huge vacuum in capabilities.


More advanced 4th Gen platforms are going to be a bloody nightmare to balance. The best counters to American aircraft will be American aircraft. Soviet aircraft in general were meant to be used with an integrated air defense network in mind while (MiG-29) while using limited Schwerpunkt type strikes in high value areas of operation (SU-27) to gain local air superiority to conduct a successful area operation.

The Soviets knew they didn't have the capability to 1:1 match US aircraft so they made different doctrine and technological decisions/innovations with that in mind.

We'll ultimately see how Gaijin introduces things, but I don't have a whole lot of confidence. I did like that the F-14 and thus far the Mirage 2000 weren't brokenly OP, but everyone else still kinda left dangling without any decent loadout updates that should definitely occur.

[Col. Cornbread]

in reality or in game?

[HOBO ACTUAL]

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

Who confirmed the mig 29

[Ninja Tuna]

Originally posted by .dL.TactAssassin:

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

May I ask why? MiG-29 was made to counter F15s and f16s... Not 14s. Why add another plane that will dominate everything else until X plane is added? I honestly don't think we need mig-29s yet.

Update old planes first with newer weapons/ variants first.

It was made to counter the f16's. Both are light fighters. F15 isnt.

[Ninja Tuna]

Originally posted by HOBO ACTUAL:

Originally posted by sBinnala64:

since the MiG-29 'Fulcrum' is coming to the game very soon™, how will it go against the Tomcat? (leave your answers here)

Who confirmed the mig 29

No one. OP probably assumed it will be added

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by TGR Qonqueror:

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥:

Neither Su-27 or MiG-29 & MiG-31 will be added to the game any time soon the MiG-23MLA/MLD 1984 & MiG-27 attacker variants will be the top line for now, they need to add proper counterparts first beginning with F-16A/C ,F/A-18A+, F-15C, & F-14B all of them were released prior 1984 and then we can talk about russian modern jets, usa playerbase is larger and we will get the stuff we deserve first.

Why should the USSR get shafted ingame just because they were a bit slower with developing 4th Gen Fighters? (US late Cold War Military spending bias)
A Mig-29A without R-73s would be pretty balanced, even at 11.3. (in case the F-14A stays at 11.3, but both can go up if Gaijin adds higher BRs)


And its funny that you talk about proper counterparts, since the F-14A got released with no counterparts too. Its only balanced by the smaller maps in the ARB Rotation (RIP SIM) and the Wallet Warriors that can't do ♥♥♥♥ with it.
(They didn't even give underperforming planes like the F-4F better Missiles to counter the Tomcat + Italys Top Plane is still a upgraded 2nd Gen Figher )

I said no stop trolling dude, read learn to read i said they will not get any jets anytime soon deal with it, you can always beg in the forums for more russian stuff, also taking away the only reason to buy a MiG-29 its not making it balanced either, i doubt the russian players would want another mig with just r60 for balance reasons.

TL:DR mig29 wil get added when usa gets those i named, not before, the mig23 is overpowered enough the f14 is really bad compared to it, holy cow the mig23 got 6 missiles, the f14 still dont got all aspect missiles so you guys better shut up.

F-14 counterpart is MiG-23MLD/MLA they just did not add R-73 for some reason but thats the counterpart F-14A is a 1977 fighter jet and MLD a 1984 you are really dumb, we should have gotten a F-15 instead.