Ferdinand and Jagdtiger

[꧁ YouTube = Rockboje ꧂]

Why has Ferdinand, Jagdtiger, Tiger 2 and co always to fight vs Cold War Tanks with Heatshells penetration over 400mm and Rockets but a KV1 dont meet always Tiger 1 in Battlerating? Isnt a true question... i know the answer

[Dealman]

Because Gaijin prefers to balance them after their performance or expected performance. Gaijin simply doesn't care about an era-based gamemode.

If there was an era-based gamemode, the T-34 would be about the only enjoyable USSR tank as everything else would be absolutely eaten alive.

Putin clearly wouldn't allow this as it would demonstrate how obsolete their technology is and always has been.

[EfeTheCaptain]

Have you ever check the dates ? 1944 is the production date of the Jadgtiger and what did USSR have at the time ? IS-1, T-34-85, KV-85, T-44. That's it, what are you going to do to a Jadgtiger with those ? Jadtiger wins GG, no need to open a server, you won, that was the game, did you enjoy it ?!

[Dealman]

EfeTheCaptain a écrit :

Have you ever check the dates ? 1944 is the production date of the Jadgtiger and what did USSR have at the time ? IS-1, T-34-85, KV-85, T-44. That's it, what are you going to do to a Jadgtiger with those ? Jadtiger wins GG, no need to open a server, you won, that was the game, did you enjoy it ?!

This argument is null and void because it goes both ways. In the Jagdtiger you face cold war tanks with HEAT-FS and ATGMs that entirely nullify your armor. That's it, what are you going to do against cold war tanks with the Jagdtiger? Every cold war tank wins GG.

IS-1, T-34-85, KV-85 and a T-44 is more than capable of penetrating the side of the Jagdtiger. Not to mention you can joink the barrel very easily with those tanks, there you go - free kill.

But god forbid having to flank big heavily armored targets, we can't have that in War Thunder!

[Total Eclipse]

EfeTheCaptain a écrit :

Have you ever check the dates ? 1944 is the production date of the Jadgtiger and what did USSR have at the time ? IS-1, T-34-85, KV-85, T-44. That's it, what are you going to do to a Jadgtiger with those ? Jadtiger wins GG, no need to open a server, you won, that was the game, did you enjoy it ?!

You forget their best bet against a Jagdtiger an IS-2.

However the thread talks about cold war tanks, not tanks produced in 1944. Thus you can add other WW2 tanks the IS-3 and the SU-100 and with these additions the odds aren't so stacked against them.

To my knowledge the T-44 did not see any combat in ww2. Sure it was produced in 1944 so what? Also in RB the T-44 is already 6.7 which matches the Jagdtiger's br, so Gaijin believe they are a fair match.

I'd agree with you Captain if we were talking about a normal tank. But this is a Jagdtiger. You take out it tracks and you can kill it, you take out its gun and you can kill it. In my opinion it is much more worse for a T-44 to face a T95. I take out its tracks, gun and it still manages to take off my tracks, because of its .50 cal. Denying the flank, which I pretty much deserved. Against a Jagdtiger no such problem.

[Illusionyary]

This affects everyone not just Germany. For example, why does my WW2 M26 Pershing fight cold war German and Italian tanks with HEAT-FS.

[Bombelos]

† ✠♰💀 Rage Quit ✘☠✙ † a écrit :

Why has Ferdinand, Jagdtiger, Tiger 2 and co always to fight vs Cold War Tanks with Heatshells penetration over 400mm and Rockets but a KV1 dont meet always Tiger 1 in Battlerating? Isnt a true question... i know the answer

And it works other way... why 5.7 tanks have to face something that they can't really touch from the front with standard shells?

BR needs to be decompressed...or stay depressed... like 70% of the playerbase.

[FD_Stalker]

Because tiger ii 105 (not 88) and Jagdtiger perform very well against coldwar softies

But seriously Ferdinand doesn't belong to 6.7, should go back to 6.3.

[+rep Vollidiot]

FD_Stalker a écrit :

Because tiger ii 105 (not 88) and Jagdtiger perform very well against coldwar softies

But seriously Ferdinand doesn't belong to 6.7, should go back to 6.3.

the 105 tiger is amazing yes, but also have a nice repair bill of 17k spaded... :-/

[FD_Stalker]

+rep Vollidiot a écrit :

FD_Stalker a écrit :

Because tiger ii 105 (not 88) and Jagdtiger perform very well against coldwar softies

But seriously Ferdinand doesn't belong to 6.7, should go back to 6.3.

the 105 tiger is amazing yes, but also have a nice repair bill of 17k spaded... :-/

Well I almost never lose money with it unless I use it twice and still lose along with all my lineup dying 5 times

[+rep Vollidiot]

FD_Stalker a écrit :

+rep Vollidiot a écrit :

the 105 tiger is amazing yes, but also have a nice repair bill of 17k spaded... :-/

Well I almost never lose money with it unless I use it twice and still lose along with all my lineup dying 5 times

its not about losing money^^
Its about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ repair cost

[legaroojack]

Dealman a écrit :

Because Gaijin prefers to balance them after their performance or expected performance. Gaijin simply doesn't care about an era-based gamemode.

If there was an era-based gamemode, the T-34 would be about the only enjoyable USSR tank as everything else would be absolutely eaten alive.

Putin clearly wouldn't allow this as it would demonstrate how obsolete their technology is and always has been. :coinface:

This is a game. Not real life.

[legaroojack]

Because uptiers are a thing. Another thing is that the majority of tanks that use HEATFS at 6.7 are light vehicles that the ferdi, Jagdtiger and Tiger II's can easily penetrate. However dont mistake me saying this for me thinking that WW2 vehicles should face cold war era ones, i don't. There should be era separation where WW2 cannot face cold war and cold war cannot face modern vehicles( when they make it to the game)

[Dealman]

Peoples Republic of North Korea a écrit :

This is a game. Not real life.

And this is a relevant answer, how? I was talking about it being based on era, not 100% hyper realistic statistics.

And then you agree with me in the 2nd reply either way...?

Wat

[꧁ YouTube = Rockboje ꧂]

dont undertsand me wrong... the jagtiger is just a example for wrong matchmaking over all nations... i donst care about to fight cold war tanks with jagdtiger if there ballanced to my tankchoice... so no heatshells with 400mm pen or rockets with 400mm pen. for example ... u get toptier u dont get heatshells and just ap. Jagdtiger has nothing like ferdinand to strike back if the tracks or gunbarrel destroyed... there slow slow and have soft flanks... even a lighttank can easy penetrate the sitearmor ... a other suggestion... u have 6 crewmembers who can repair tracks so there need just 8 secconds to do this job... u have 3 crewmembers there need 18 secconds to repair the tracks ( 100% crew).
for a other example... i believe the Jagdpanther with 6.0 is a very well ballanced BR.
U can get some bouncer a well gun but have enouth weakpoints to dont get overpowered

[OneEye]

I would like to see BRs changed… to 3 separate BR brackets

(WW1-2 BR1-10)(Cold War BR1-10)and (post Cold War 1-10). This way you could loosen up the BR and you wouldn’t get Cold War and WW2 vehicles crossing over. Your Jagdtigers and Later allied vehicles would be BR10 and so on down. I’m sure it’s not perfect but then some countries wouldn’t have tanks in lower BRs or their tank trees would have large gaps. Who knows.