the F5c is the true pay to win in this game

[ospholis]

its nice to see my missiles hit that jet and deal less than nothing on damage on it every time i fight it.
P.D for those people who cant read im refering to the messy hitbox that wont register the aam damage at all

[Mercy]

Bro if you are struggling vs the F-5C players, just give up...

[Wolfie]

The F5c is a great plane, but if you're having problems countering it, go down a tier and practice dog fighting.

[mogami_99]

fly it your self

[ospholis]

Originally posted by Wolfie | REKT.io:

The F5c is a great plane, but if you're having problems countering it, go down a tier and practice dog fighting.

read the post again

[ospholis]

Originally posted by Mercy:

Bro if you are struggling vs the F-5C players, just give up...

yeah im struggling agaisnt them since my missile just tickles them most of the times i hit them

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by ospholis:

Originally posted by Mercy:

Bro if you are struggling vs the F-5C players, just give up...

yeah im struggling agaisnt them since my missile just tickles them most of the times i hit them

What missile?

[ospholis]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by ospholis:

yeah im struggling agaisnt them since my missile just tickles them most of the times i hit them

What missile?

aim-9J

[Futuristic Hexagon]

I mean, I've had missiles of all sorts just do jack all on impact before. It's not exclusive to the F-5C or the AIM-9J/P. I've had R-60s, R-13Ms, PL-2s, and AIM-9Es and Bs do the same things. Ofc, I've even taken down my fair share of F-5Cs without much using PL-2s (Chinese AIM-9B equivalent, albeit it does have a hefty amount of explosive mass (like 8kg))....

So the only conclusion I can come to is that the AIM-9J either has a messed up explosive mass (Stat cards can lie), or it's detonation distance is jacked up somehow in comparison to other missiles in game.

[Jaes]

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

I mean, I've had missiles of all sorts just do jack all on impact before. It's not exclusive to the F-5C or the AIM-9J/P. I've had R-60s, R-13Ms, PL-2s, and AIM-9Es and Bs do the same things. Ofc, I've even taken down my fair share of F-5Cs without much using PL-2s (Chinese AIM-9B equivalent, albeit it does have a hefty amount of explosive mass (like 8kg))....

So the only conclusion I can come to is that the AIM-9J either has a messed up explosive mass (Stat cards can lie), or it's detonation distance is jacked up somehow in comparison to other missiles in game.

There's nothing wrong with the AIM-9J. OP is just being salty.

Based on OP's logic, I should be claiming MiG-23s, J-7Es, and F-4EJ Kais are over powered because I've hit them with AIM-7Fs, which have a of explosive mass in an order of magnitude higher than AIM-9Js, and not insta kill them.

The inherent nature of how missiles do damage do not guarantee a kill nor mandatory for them to do enough damage to seriously hinder the flight performance of an aircraft, especially if the target was positioned/maneuvering in such a manner that prevented the shrapnel from the missile exploding hitting anything valuable.

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by ospholis:

its nice to see my missiles hit that jet and deal less than nothing on damage on it every time i fight it.
P.D for those people who cant read im refering to the messy hitbox that wont register the aam damage at all

no its not.
i used it to grind the entire US tech tree and it is an absolute pain plane.
because your missile failed to kill 1 F-5C once does not make it pay to win.

i don't know any top tier planes to be pay to win, all of them are horrible, except maybe for A-5C.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Jaes:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

I mean, I've had missiles of all sorts just do jack all on impact before. It's not exclusive to the F-5C or the AIM-9J/P. I've had R-60s, R-13Ms, PL-2s, and AIM-9Es and Bs do the same things. Ofc, I've even taken down my fair share of F-5Cs without much using PL-2s (Chinese AIM-9B equivalent, albeit it does have a hefty amount of explosive mass (like 8kg))....

So the only conclusion I can come to is that the AIM-9J either has a messed up explosive mass (Stat cards can lie), or it's detonation distance is jacked up somehow in comparison to other missiles in game.

There's nothing wrong with the AIM-9J. OP is just being salty.

Based on OP's logic, I should be claiming MiG-23s, J-7Es, and F-4EJ Kais are over powered because I've hit them with AIM-7Fs, which have a of explosive mass in an order of magnitude higher than AIM-9Js, and not insta kill them.

The inherent nature of how missiles do damage do not guarantee a kill nor mandatory for them to do enough damage to seriously hinder the flight performance of an aircraft, especially if the target was positioned/maneuvering in such a manner that prevented the shrapnel from the missile exploding hitting anything valuable.

But there is something wrong with the F-5C and anyone claiming otherwise are shills, it's literally the only plane in this game that can CONSISTENTLY survive multiple hits from AIM-9's and R-23T's

[ospholis]

Originally posted by Jaes:

Originally posted by Futuristic Hexagon:

I mean, I've had missiles of all sorts just do jack all on impact before. It's not exclusive to the F-5C or the AIM-9J/P. I've had R-60s, R-13Ms, PL-2s, and AIM-9Es and Bs do the same things. Ofc, I've even taken down my fair share of F-5Cs without much using PL-2s (Chinese AIM-9B equivalent, albeit it does have a hefty amount of explosive mass (like 8kg))....

So the only conclusion I can come to is that the AIM-9J either has a messed up explosive mass (Stat cards can lie), or it's detonation distance is jacked up somehow in comparison to other missiles in game.

There's nothing wrong with the AIM-9J. OP is just being salty.

Based on OP's logic, I should be claiming MiG-23s, J-7Es, and F-4EJ Kais are over powered because I've hit them with AIM-7Fs, which have a of explosive mass in an order of magnitude higher than AIM-9Js, and not insta kill them.

The inherent nature of how missiles do damage do not guarantee a kill nor mandatory for them to do enough damage to seriously hinder the flight performance of an aircraft, especially if the target was positioned/maneuvering in such a manner that prevented the shrapnel from the missile exploding hitting anything valuable.

the F-5C LITERALLY eats AAM like nothing even if its a r-60

[nirvana_sth]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

Originally posted by Jaes:

There's nothing wrong with the AIM-9J. OP is just being salty.

Based on OP's logic, I should be claiming MiG-23s, J-7Es, and F-4EJ Kais are over powered because I've hit them with AIM-7Fs, which have a of explosive mass in an order of magnitude higher than AIM-9Js, and not insta kill them.

The inherent nature of how missiles do damage do not guarantee a kill nor mandatory for them to do enough damage to seriously hinder the flight performance of an aircraft, especially if the target was positioned/maneuvering in such a manner that prevented the shrapnel from the missile exploding hitting anything valuable.

But there is something wrong with the F-5C and anyone claiming otherwise are shills, it's literally the only plane in this game that can CONSISTENTLY survive multiple hits from AIM-9's and R-23T's

i flew F-5C for over 300 hours and i can confirm that not to be true.
the famed survivability comes from the fact that it can take some punishment every now and then, but just like any other aircraft its flight performance is seriously reduced.
given its a slow aircraft which barely hits supersonic speed at lower altitudes, its a meal for every other plane and it gets uptiered to 11.3 often.
the ability to take a shot and two and be able to limp for a while is not really a pay to win factor.
it has a pea shooter gun, with which you will crit a lot of planes and they keep flying as normal and it even has problems against stationary AI ground targets like howitzers etc. meaning you have to empty a considerable amount of rounds to get a "target destroyed".
its missiles are garbage for 10.3 (uncaged AIM-9B), it has no CCIP/CCRP and its a very slow plane.

as a matter of fact, this plane clearly is overtiered.
A-5C is a far better plane at 10.0.

ppl say its good for dogfights; you are usually too late to the centre of the map that either your team is dead or the enemy team is gone.
chasing a plane in dog fights easily get you killed as you will be shot from behind almost always by missiles.
almost every plane in 9.7 to 11.3 bracket is able to outrun you, and the only logical thing for grinding is to bomb bases. given you are slow as hell, you usually find yourself scraping what is left behind by F-105s and F-4Es and you have no CCIP/CCRP.

this plane has no place going against Mig-23s.

just check out its stats.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

But there is something wrong with the F-5C and anyone claiming otherwise are shills, it's literally the only plane in this game that can CONSISTENTLY survive multiple hits from AIM-9's and R-23T's

i flew F-5C for over 300 hours and i can confirm that not to be true.
the famed survivability comes from the fact that it can take some punishment every now and then, but just like any other aircraft its flight performance is seriously reduced.
given its a slow aircraft which barely hits supersonic speed at lower altitudes, its a meal for every other plane and it gets uptiered to 11.3 often.
the ability to take a shot and two and be able to limp for a while is not really a pay to win factor.
it has a pea shooter gun, with which you will crit a lot of planes and they keep flying as normal and it even has problems against stationary AI ground targets like howitzers etc. meaning you have to empty a considerable amount of rounds to get a "target destroyed".
its missiles are garbage for 10.3 (uncaged AIM-9B), it has no CCIP/CCRP and its a very slow plane.

as a matter of fact, this plane clearly is overtiered.
A-5C is a far better plane at 10.0.

ppl say its good for dogfights; you are usually too late to the centre of the map that either your team is dead or the enemy team is gone.
chasing a plane in dog fights easily get you killed as you will be shot from behind almost always by missiles.
almost every plane in 9.7 to 11.3 bracket is able to outrun you, and the only logical thing for grinding is to bomb bases. given you are slow as hell, you usually find yourself scraping what is left behind by F-105s and F-4Es and you have no CCIP/CCRP.

this plane has no place going against Mig-23s.

just check out its stats.

I disagree fully on the guns. I say they're quite effective. In fact with that specific plane, they'll be your primary source of kills. They also deal with pillboxes and some armored targets nicely. The key is to get the belt with the most API-T (running contrary of logic from other cannons at this BR range. The ammo amount is also very good for what it is. It is a dogfighter though, and with the newer toys at 11.0 and 11.3, it may be time to bump it down a notch (but only one, we don't need this at 9.7.) I am in the opinion that these days, that it should go to 10.0, maybe even the Taiwanese one with AIM-9Ps too (now that we get far more advanced toys at lower BRs somehow...)

I consider it the polar opposite of the MiG-21SPS-K in all aspects really, as all the advantages of one cancel the other out.

Someone mentioned the R-60, I'd be more surprised if it was PL-2. R-60s have that happen with a lot of planes, largely due to their small explosive mass (1.15kg, compare with ~7.62 kg for the sidewinders and 8.8 kg for the PL-2). The only thing the R-60 has going for it is its agility really. Past that, it gets distracted easily by everything as well (the sun, flares, your teammate in the other side of the map, a guy who is grilling some burgers on the ground, anything but what it originally was going for).

I've survived shots in the Shenyang F-5, and the the MiG-21SPS-K and on a few ocassions. I've even had a Harrier get hit by a PL-2 and just get a "minor" Crit. Does that mean those planes have broken hitboxes too?

In the beginning it had a seriously messed up hitbox I remember. Apparently something was covering the engines module that shouldnt have, or they had forgotten something. They had nerfed it since, but that was a while back.

As I've said, taken it out with other armaments too. I did read just now on the reddit of it surviving multiple missile hits, but I'm sure convinced it isn't the DM but rather missile behavior as a whole. Especially ad most planes usually survive that missile hit initially, it's usually the resulting fire that finishes it off....

Just reiterating my experience, being on both sides found various missiles work mostly as they do with other planes (for some odd reason the PL-2 sticks to them better than other planes, which is odd for an AIM-9B copy.) I've found they also go down as easily too with all sorts of missiles Aimed at it.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by nirvana_sth:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

But there is something wrong with the F-5C and anyone claiming otherwise are shills, it's literally the only plane in this game that can CONSISTENTLY survive multiple hits from AIM-9's and R-23T's

i flew F-5C for over 300 hours and i can confirm that not to be true.
the famed survivability comes from the fact that it can take some punishment every now and then, but just like any other aircraft its flight performance is seriously reduced.
given its a slow aircraft which barely hits supersonic speed at lower altitudes, its a meal for every other plane and it gets uptiered to 11.3 often.
the ability to take a shot and two and be able to limp for a while is not really a pay to win factor.
it has a pea shooter gun, with which you will crit a lot of planes and they keep flying as normal and it even has problems against stationary AI ground targets like howitzers etc. meaning you have to empty a considerable amount of rounds to get a "target destroyed".
its missiles are garbage for 10.3 (uncaged AIM-9B), it has no CCIP/CCRP and its a very slow plane.

as a matter of fact, this plane clearly is overtiered.
A-5C is a far better plane at 10.0.

ppl say its good for dogfights; you are usually too late to the centre of the map that either your team is dead or the enemy team is gone.
chasing a plane in dog fights easily get you killed as you will be shot from behind almost always by missiles.
almost every plane in 9.7 to 11.3 bracket is able to outrun you, and the only logical thing for grinding is to bomb bases. given you are slow as hell, you usually find yourself scraping what is left behind by F-105s and F-4Es and you have no CCIP/CCRP.

this plane has no place going against Mig-23s.

just check out its stats.

>just check out it's stats
maybe ♥♥♥♥ players like you are driving it down since that plane is ludicrously strong and loses no speed in turns?
before you say the "muh max speed" argument when have you ever seen a plane flying faster than 1200km/h in this game which the F-5C is easily capable of reaching? In fact because of it's very light (yet absurdly strong build) it accelerates faster than planes like the MiG-21 at times.