Tiger II 10.5cm should it be at 6.7?

[Majoriix]

The T29, T34, and now the T30 are all at 6.7 with good armor and excellent cannons, can someone please explain why is Tiger II 10.5cm is at 7.0? And should it be moved down?

[Majoriix]

The Lord Protector eredeti hozzászólása:

NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div eredeti hozzászólása:

6,7 is exactly where it belongs

Please explain how a better Tiger II in every way minus reload belongs at the same BR. Before someone inevitably brings up the T29, yes I think that should be raised because it's too good at 6.7, just as the KT 105 would be. Fundamentally it's a BR compression issue.

Three Tiger II's, the Ru251 and the Panther II in the same lineup sounds like a wehraboo wet dream. Then I'll bet people will start saying the Jagdtiger should be moved to 6.7 as well, in fact some already say that.

for me i feel like the RU would be better at 7.0, but i could be wrong, the jagdtiger defiantly doesn't belong at 6.7 and the panther II is no better than the 6.7 KT, besides maneuverability

[kamikazi21358]

The Lord Protector eredeti hozzászólása:

NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div eredeti hozzászólása:

6,7 is exactly where it belongs

Please explain how a better Tiger II in every way minus reload belongs at the same BR. Before someone inevitably brings up the T29, yes I think that should be raised because it's too good at 6.7, just as the KT 105 would be. Fundamentally it's a BR compression issue.

Three Tiger II's, the Ru251 and the Panther II in the same lineup sounds like a wehraboo wet dream. Then I'll bet people will start saying the Jagdtiger should be moved to 6.7 as well, in fact some already say that.

Tiger II mit 10.5cm
Tiger II Sla.16
Tiger II (H)
Panther II
Me 262A-2
Me 262 5cm
Arado 234B
He 162

- backups -

Tiger II (P)
Jagdpanther
PzBflw Jagdpanther
Ferdinand
Panther G
>others I missed

[Majoriix]

Barneys Had Enough Of You. eredeti hozzászólása:

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

HEAT is the problem, however, I don’t encounter it as often as indicated. When facing anything but HEAT, the IS-3 is amazing, and even vs some HEAT tanks, it still has a big 122mm to deal with them.

Although part of what has been mentioned is a BR compression issue as well.

My exp is constant heat slinging, but when facing things like King Tigers and other tanks? Well hell yea the IS-3 is a bauss.

I wont deny that, just from my experience playing my Is-3, im consistently getting one shot by heat or that humongous turret trap.

i dont agree that the Is3 is OP i have killed it in a Panther A before and the long reload give you plenty of time to aim for the trap shot, as you said

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Striker eredeti hozzászólása:

Barneys Had Enough Of You. eredeti hozzászólása:

My exp is constant heat slinging, but when facing things like King Tigers and other tanks? Well hell yea the IS-3 is a bauss.

I wont deny that, just from my experience playing my Is-3, im consistently getting one shot by heat or that humongous turret trap.

i dont agree that the Is3 is OP i have killed it in a Panther A before and the long reload give you plenty of time to aim for the trap shot, as you said

assuming that he just waits there and lets you aim.

[KissHUN *;--;*]

the tiger2/105 sadly long time sitting on that 7.0 place whitout any good reason, the only advantage its have on the tiger2H is the bigger post pen damage, but other than this... the extra armor penetration you get after the 88 is negligible, and the more engine pover is just enough to compensate the increased total mass, other that this you are mostly going to fight with your outdated ww2 armor layout againts fast postwar tanks which are using gun stabilizers and shoting apds and heatfs.

[Obamenau]

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

the tiger2/105 sadly long time sitting on that 7.0 place whitout any good reason, the only advantage its have on the tiger2H is the bigger post pen damage, but other than this... the extra armor penetration you get after the 88 is negligible, and the more engine pover is just enough to compensate the increased total mass, other that this you are mostly going to fight with your outdated ww2 armor layout againts fast postwar tanks which are using gun stabilizers and shoting apds and heatfs.

20mm extra pen is neglegible? And i highly doubt you've ever driven the 105 if you think the engine doesnt make a difference.

And yeah higher BR tanks are better than yours in other words water is wet.

[kamikazi21358]

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

the tiger2/105 sadly long time sitting on that 7.0 place whitout any good reason, the only advantage its have on the tiger2H is the bigger post pen damage, but other than this... the extra armor penetration you get after the 88 is negligible, and the more engine pover is just enough to compensate the increased total mass, other that this you are mostly going to fight with your outdated ww2 armor layout againts fast postwar tanks which are using gun stabilizers and shoting apds and heatfs.

(and the other advantages you already forgot about).

[83athom]

Before the change in stock shell, maybe. After, probably not.

[KissHUN *;--;*]

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

the tiger2/105 sadly long time sitting on that 7.0 place whitout any good reason, the only advantage its have on the tiger2H is the bigger post pen damage, but other than this... the extra armor penetration you get after the 88 is negligible, and the more engine pover is just enough to compensate the increased total mass, other that this you are mostly going to fight with your outdated ww2 armor layout againts fast postwar tanks which are using gun stabilizers and shoting apds and heatfs.

(and the other advantages you already forgot about).

we alredy talked about your maniac love towards the gun shield... what no one shots 90% time, stop seeing more in this tank what is reallly are.

[Ragnarok]

Tiger 2 10.5 is just fine at 7.0. Its just t he fact that the entire line up, has trouble against higher BR tanks.

Not all tanks suffer against higher BR's. The 7.0 line up is just especially so. JGPZ4-5 is just a RU-251 with a faster reload which is absolutely stupid for a tank at 7.0


Jagdtigers gun isn't that amazing as most tanks have armor that blocks the pen. Its pen isn't anything special. But it is fun either way.

[kamikazi21358]

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

(and the other advantages you already forgot about).

we alredy talked about your maniac love towards the gun shield... what no one shots 90% time, stop seeing more in this tank what is reallly are.

I see it as a more mobile tiger II with better survivability, which has been buffed the other day. I am not saying it is good at 7.0. I am saying it’s too good for 6.7.

[KissHUN *;--;*]

Mindstream eredeti hozzászólása:

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

the tiger2/105 sadly long time sitting on that 7.0 place whitout any good reason, the only advantage its have on the tiger2H is the bigger post pen damage, but other than this... the extra armor penetration you get after the 88 is negligible, and the more engine pover is just enough to compensate the increased total mass, other that this you are mostly going to fight with your outdated ww2 armor layout againts fast postwar tanks which are using gun stabilizers and shoting apds and heatfs.

20mm extra pen is neglegible? And i highly doubt you've ever driven the 105 if you think the engine doesnt make a difference.

And yeah higher BR tanks are better than yours in other words water is wet.

what 20mm? its just only 13mm on 10 meter, and even on 2km range its only 11mm increase, all in all whatever enemy you are shoting with the 105mm cannon you can do the same with the kwk43 more faster.

the 200hp increase is only enough to accelerate a little bit faster than its usual, but the max speed is still limited in 42 km/h and this speed and acceleration is not giving to much benefit when you are facing really fast post war tanks, like vickers mbt or the amx-50.

this tanks is more like a turreted tank destroyer rather than heavy tank in this 7.0 level, thank you for the assumptions about my skills but i think i know better my own experience than you.

[KissHUN *;--;*]

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

we alredy talked about your maniac love towards the gun shield... what no one shots 90% time, stop seeing more in this tank what is reallly are.

I see it as a more mobile tiger II with better survivability, which has been buffed the other day. I am not saying it is good at 7.0. I am saying it’s too good for 6.7.

i alred told you my point of view, good bye.

[Obamenau]

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

Mindstream eredeti hozzászólása:

20mm extra pen is neglegible? And i highly doubt you've ever driven the 105 if you think the engine doesnt make a difference.

And yeah higher BR tanks are better than yours in other words water is wet.

what 20mm? its just only 13mm on 10 meter, and even on 2km range its only 11mm increase, all in all whatever enemy you are shoting with the 105mm cannon you can do the same with the kwk43 more faster.

the 200hp increase is only enough to accelerate a little bit faster than its usual, but the max speed is still limited in 42 km/h and this speed and acceleration is not giving to much benefit when you are facing really fast post war tanks, like vickers mbt or the amx-50.

this tanks is more like a turreted tank destroyer rather than heavy tank in this 7.0 level, thank you for the assumptions about my skills but i think i know better my own experience than you.

It wont be faster if the enemy doesnt die from 1 shot.

Acceleration is a massive deal for a heavy tank, since you are not going to rush and flank in them top speed is less important. How tf can you deny that?
Alos interesting how you list the vickers, which really isnt that fast for how little armor it has.

Also learn to read : i didnt judge your skills in any way i was questioning if you even played the 105 since you dismiss the masssive engine power difference.
tAke out the KT H at 7.0 and tell me it doesnt matter.

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

I see it as a more mobile tiger II with better survivability, which has been buffed the other day. I am not saying it is good at 7.0. I am saying it’s too good for 6.7.

i alred told you my point of view, good bye.

great argument!

[Kotory]

Kiss(HUN) *--* eredeti hozzászólása:

kamikazi21358 eredeti hozzászólása:

(and the other advantages you already forgot about).

we alredy talked about your maniac love towards the gun shield... what no one shots 90% time, stop seeing more in this tank what is reallly are.

Are you for real trying to look that stupid?
He's saying that bigger gun reduces the size of the area where it can be pened, which is true.
Means this is easier for enemy to mess up their shot.