T80BV when?

[Læms]

i want to knwo when it will come out, in the next weeks or months

[Omega Sirius]

R u ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me? The new update is less than a month old and you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for a T-80BV?

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Omega Sirius:

R u ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me? The new update is less than a month old and you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for a T-80BV?

Well, the T-80B is a 1978 tank fighting 1984 M1IPs, 1984 Challenger Is, 1988 Leopard 2A4s, and 1990 Type 90s.

[Nobody410]

Originally posted by novastorm//pt\\:

when the m1a1 abrams with 120mm gun comes out, we are going to have t80bv:)

I hope...
abrams 120mm...
https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0Iv5fDReu1ylkwo/giphy.gif

[kamikazi21358]

The M1A1 should only come out with the T-80BV, T-72B obr.1985, Challenger Mk.3, etc; but if these tanks come out to counter the M1IP and future M1A1, I don’t see a problem with the M1A1: it is literally just a M1IP with a 120mm gun and survivability issues.

[Jcv]

hopefully after free FPE and parts

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by T4NK3R:

2a4 is too boxy and ugly to be the last german tank

HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT THE BEAUTIFUL 2A4!
Although seriously, I don’t think we’ll see the 2A5 for a really, really long time, it would be too OP unless they went full modern with T-90As and M1A2 SEPs and stuff, as it is a late 1990s tank with ridiculous armor and the new Rheinmetall L/55. Adding the Leopard 2A5 would be like adding a M1A2 right now, and would extend the BR range to like 13.0-14.0.
The Leopard 2A4 ap.C is probably going to be the top tier tank for Germany, and is the counter to the T-80U and T-72Bobr.1989.

the leopard 2a5 still have the same L44 the leopard 2a6 got the stronger L55

anyway like always then "just flank it bra"

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Najiko:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT THE BEAUTIFUL 2A4!
Although seriously, I don’t think we’ll see the 2A5 for a really, really long time, it would be too OP unless they went full modern with T-90As and M1A2 SEPs and stuff, as it is a late 1990s tank with ridiculous armor and the new Rheinmetall L/55. Adding the Leopard 2A5 would be like adding a M1A2 right now, and would extend the BR range to like 13.0-14.0.
The Leopard 2A4 ap.C is probably going to be the top tier tank for Germany, and is the counter to the T-80U and T-72Bobr.1989.

the leopard 2a5 still have the same L44 the leopard 2a6 got the stronger L55

anyway like always then "just flank it bra"

I was wrong, but I think the Leopard 2A4 ap.C will probably be the top tier tank for awhile when it is introduced. The 2A5 is still pretty strong armor wise.

[+rep Vollidiot]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by Najiko:

the leopard 2a5 still have the same L44 the leopard 2a6 got the stronger L55

anyway like always then "just flank it bra"

I was wrong, but I think the Leopard 2A4 ap.C will probably be the top tier tank for awhile when it is introduced. The 2A5 is still pretty strong armor wise.

well T80U with kontakt 5 would be a good counter ... and for us well they could suffer for a while :)

edit: even with the C package the 2a4 will remain a joke with the huge gunshield weakspot

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Najiko:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

I was wrong, but I think the Leopard 2A4 ap.C will probably be the top tier tank for awhile when it is introduced. The 2A5 is still pretty strong armor wise.

well T80U with kontakt 5 would be a good counter ... and for us well they could suffer for a while :)

edit: even with the C package the 2a4 will remain a joke with the huge gunshield weakspot

That’s probably because they don’t have the gunshield armor modeled in right - the actual 2A4 has a 42cm mantlet that has way, way more armor than it does now. The 2A4 actually in general currently isn’t very well modeled, it has multiple issues with it’s model.

[kamikazi21358]

Personally, temporary or not, I kind of hope they stop at the end of the Cold-War-ish, as at this time period every nation in the game and even future nations not in the game are fairly balanced, and other reasons. I hope then without rushing more and more top tier tanks, they then can focus on the many, many other things relating to top tier that are not implemented - FCS, NV, Thermal Vision, other instruments, maybe maps bigger than 2km by 2km that we’ve been begging for for literally years to hold these APDS-FS shooting smoothbore guns on 1100-1500 HP tanks with 4.5-5km laser rangefinders (and we don’t have FCS and stuff yet even) (the biggest SIMULATOR battles maps are about 3.6km by 3.6km, which is still tiny at rank 6), the literally hundreds of (non-prototype) vehicles that could be in game but are not, Italy and any other potential nation, etc.

About the end of the Cold War I think is begging to be the ~ top tier, since almost every nation has good top tier vehicle(s) (not counting prototypes unless said)(not counting non-MBTs except for C1):

Type 90s
Type 74s

Leclerc series.1
AMX-40 (I hate prototanks in the main tree but whatever)
AMX-30s

C1 Ariete serie 1 (built before the end of the CW, just didn’t enter service)
B1 Centaurio (~100km/h+ armored car with tank turret and 105mm gun)

Leopard 2A4 ap.C
Leopard 2A4 ap.B (current... kindof)
Leopard 2A3
Leopard 2A2
Leopard 2A1
Leopard 1A5
Leopard 1A4
etc.

M1A1(HA)
M1A1
M1IP
M1

T-80UM
T-80U (1990)
T-80U
T-80BV
T-80B
T-80
T-72B obr.1989
T-72B obr.1985
T-72AV
T-72A
T-72 Ural-1
T-64B w/Kontakt-5
T-64BV
T-64B
etc.

Challenger Mk.3
Challenger Mk.2
Challenger Mk.1
Chieftain Mk 11/12
Chieftain Mk 10 and below
Centurion Mk.13 and below
etc.

[OIympicAssEater]

Poor Japan. Only 1 MBT and 1 crap ATGM.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Narberal Gamma:

Poor Japan. Only 1 MBT and 1 crap ATGM.

They do have like 3 more advance Type 74s from the Cold War they could add, but Gaijin is lazy about variants anymore.

[Obamenau]

Lets clean this mess up

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

About the end of the Cold War I think is begging to be the ~ top tier, since almost every nation has good top tier vehicle(s) (not counting prototypes unless said)(not counting non-MBTs except for C1):

Type 90s
Type 72 Denied by gaijin
STC prototype


Leclerc series.1
AMX-40 (I hate prototanks in the main tree but whatever)
AMX-30s We already have 4 of them...
AMX 32

C1 Ariete serie 1 (built before the end of the CW, just didn’t enter service)
B1 Centaurio (~100km/h+ armored car with tank turret and 105mm gun)

Leopard 2A4 ap.C -->Leopard 2A5, anything less would be unfair vs T80U and M1A1HA
Leopard 2A4 ap.B (current... kindof)
Leopard 2A3
Leopard 2A2
Leopard 2A1
Leopard 1A5
Leopard 1A4
Leopard 1A3
Marder 2
Leopard C2

M1A1(HA)
M1A1
M1IP
M1

T-80UM
T-80U (1990)
T-80U
T-80BV
T-80B
T-80
T-72B obr.1989
T-72B obr.1985
T-72AV
T-72A
T-72 Ural-1
T-64B w/Kontakt-5
T-64BV
T-64B
etc.

Challenger Mk.3
Challenger Mk.2
Challenger Mk.1
Chieftain Mk 11/12
Chieftain Mk 10 and below
Centurion Mk.13 and below
etc.
Vickers MBT mk4/7
Chieftain 900
Shir 1

What is it with you and millions of copypaste tanks? The ones i removed are completely pointless. The community never cares about optional tanks that dont offer anything different, and gaijin almost never implements such vehicles.

I added some that actually are unique and plug holes in the techtree

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Mindstream:

What is it with you and millions of copypaste tanks? The ones i removed are completely pointless. The community never cares about optional tanks that dont offer anything different, and gaijin almost never implements such vehicles.

I added some that actually are unique and plug holes in the techtree

Note: I said “discluding prototypes” and “discluding non-MBT vehicles (except the C1, might as well list it because it may play like an unarmored fast MBT, since it has no armor and an armored car hul, but it has an actual tank turret and gun)”.

So quick re-revision:

SCT - prototype, why I didn’t include it. (“Discluding potential prototypes”)

AMX-32 - prototype, why I didn’t include it. (“Discluding potential prototypes”)
AMX-30 - listed it because it is in game already.

Leopard 2A5: 1998 tank that would be immune frontally to everything in game. (700mm+ of KEP protection, no shot trap, armor isn’t one-use.)
Leopard 2A4 ap.C: would be immune to 90% everything in game frontally in game currently, would require DU ammunition to penetrate in many cases; would be excellent in almost every other aspect.
Leopard 2A3-2A1: multi-hundreds of all of these produced, deserve reperesentation and would cover multiple BRs since their era changes could allow for different ammo selections, they could be in an expandable folder since because of their similarities. As I mentioned, FCS and stuff is heavily indicated that it will become a factor too, and equipment changes WILL make these relevant then as well.
Leopard 1A5: improved version of the 1A4, the best Leopard 1 (that was mass produced), could be version given DU when they get that working in the future.
Leopard 1A4: more armor (which may not be useful 95% or the time, but with BMP-2s and more APCs/IFVs with autocannons on the horizon, might be somewhat useful), full electronic FCS, other improvements; deserves the 9.0 place of the current A1A1 than the A1A1 deserves (it was fine at 8.0/8.3 without the APFSDS).
Leopard 1A3: hince, the “etc.”, I wasn’t going to go down all the way on this list by going 1A3, 1A2, A1A1, 1A1, 1A0, M48lotsonumbers, the other exported W.German vehicles, etc.
Marder 2: (“discluding non-MBT vehicles”)

T-80U (1990): I am pretty sure a 1250 HP engine upgrade is a significant enough upgrade to be reperesented.
T-80: I am sure a T-64A like vehicle with a 1000 HP engine that could be at a lower BR than the B would be fun I am sure, as well not to mention several hundred were made.
T-72 obr.1985 - how tf is this a “copy paste” tank? It is a completely different tank than the 1989 totally.
T-72AV: yeah I expected it to be paired with the A.
T-64B 2/ kontakt-5: yeah, let’s pair it with the original T-64B, and raise it’s BR by a full 1.0-2.0 minimum!

Challenger Mk.1: a few hundred were produced, I don’t see the problem here.
Chieftain Mk.10: hate to break it to you, but it’s already kind of in game.
Centurion Mk.13: the best British centurion produced, yet you don’t want it reperesented. Don’t you dare go “omg Britain is soo neglected!”
Vickers, Chieftain 900 (and 800 you forgot),
(“Not including potential prototypes”)
Shir 1: not even a British tank?

[Obamenau]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Note: I said “discluding prototypes” and “discluding non-MBT vehicles (except the C1, might as well list it because it may play like an unarmored fast MBT, since it has no armor and an armored car hul, but it has an actual tank turret and gun)”.

So quick re-revision:

SCT - prototype, why I didn’t include it. (“Discluding potential prototypes”)

AMX-32 - prototype, why I didn’t include it. (“Discluding potential prototypes”)
AMX-30 - listed it because it is in game already.

Leopard 2A5: 1998 tank that would be immune frontally to everything in game. (700mm+ of KEP protection, no shot trap, armor isn’t one-use.)
Leopard 2A4 ap.C: would be immune to 90% everything in game frontally in game currently, would require DU ammunition to penetrate in many cases; would be excellent in almost every other aspect.
Leopard 2A3-2A1: multi-hundreds of all of these produced, deserve reperesentation and would cover multiple BRs since their era changes could allow for different ammo selections, they could be in an expandable folder since because of their similarities. As I mentioned, FCS and stuff is heavily indicated that it will become a factor too, and equipment changes WILL make these relevant then as well.
Leopard 1A5: improved version of the 1A4, the best Leopard 1 (that was mass produced), could be version given DU when they get that working in the future.
Leopard 1A4: more armor (which may not be useful 95% or the time, but with BMP-2s and more APCs/IFVs with autocannons on the horizon, might be somewhat useful), full electronic FCS, other improvements; deserves the 9.0 place of the current A1A1 than the A1A1 deserves (it was fine at 8.0/8.3 without the APFSDS).
Leopard 1A3: hince, the “etc.”, I wasn’t going to go down all the way on this list by going 1A3, 1A2, A1A1, 1A1, 1A0, M48lotsonumbers, the other exported W.German vehicles, etc.
Marder 2: (“discluding non-MBT vehicles”)

T-80U (1990): I am pretty sure a 1250 HP engine upgrade is a significant enough upgrade to be reperesented.
T-80: I am sure a T-64A like vehicle with a 1000 HP engine that could be at a lower BR than the B would be fun I am sure, as well not to mention several hundred were made.
T-72 obr.1985 - how tf is this a “copy paste” tank? It is a completely different tank than the 1989 totally.
T-72AV: yeah I expected it to be paired with the A.
T-64B 2/ kontakt-5: yeah, let’s pair it with the original T-64B, and raise it’s BR by a full 1.0-2.0 minimum!

Challenger Mk.1: a few hundred were produced, I don’t see the problem here.
Chieftain Mk.10: hate to break it to you, but it’s already kind of in game.
Centurion Mk.13: the best British centurion produced, yet you don’t want it reperesented. Don’t you dare go “omg Britain is soo neglected!”
Vickers, Chieftain 900 (and 800 you forgot),
(“Not including potential prototypes”)
Shir 1: not even a British tank?

Why no prototypes? You are cutting away many interesting T6 candidates for no reason. Sure we don't want a pure prot techtree but nowhere does it say that prototype vehicles are excluded from the game.
Not to mention that many of these went very far in development during and after the cold war.

Just a pointless artificial rule. I'm not advocating for flooding T6 with prots, just the occasion cool and unique vehicle that plugs a hole.

-No STC? I hope you like playing the type 90 since there is litteraly nothing else to add after 9.0.

-Amx-32: bridges gap between AMX-30 and AMX-40.

-Leopard 2a5 : the prototype was ready in 1990, and by 1998 already 200+ had been converted.
The turret may be strong , the hull isnt. A T80U with K5 can easily take on this vehicles ( with balanced ammo of course)

-2A4 c: not needed with 2A5

-Leopard 2A0-1: a leo without armor could be interesting at 9.3-9.7. However there is already overlap with the 2K

-2A2-3: By no means a reason to implement them in the game. WT is not a museum in case you didnt know. They only are techtree bloat.

-Leopard 1A2-5: same as above

-1A3 has a different turret. If there are to be more leo 1s then this one: could be at 8.3 with stab but no apfsds.

-Also I would love to see the C2 leo. Now this is a unique vehicle.

-T80U: the one with the 1250 hp engine of course. Whatever.

-T-80: Agreed. Maybe we'll see it

-T-80 and T-64s already fullfill every role of the T-72.
The only ones that make sense are

T72A: only as a 9.0 premium

T72BM : superior to all T64s and T-80 in game:

-Challenger mk1 : no a reason to put it ingame.

-"And below": No more copypaste chiefs thanks

-Same for cent mk 10.

-No Vickers MBT? Don't expect to ever be competetive at 9.0+ then

-Chief 900/800: fill the gap between the MK10 and challenger. Gives Britain a better lineup

-And so is the magach. You point being? The chiefs main problem has always been the engine. Shir 1 fixes that. This vehicle would be fun as hell to play and be balanced.



To make my point: I want all nations to have a full and relatively diverse lineup at T6.
Adding 3 slightly different Leos, T72, or challengers ruins that.
This is a game meant to be fun to play, not a museum ( as I already said)