WWI Vehicles and other vehicles

[HOLY_YH4]

Will there EVER be world war one vehicles included in War Thunder's tech trees? I know its so impractical but i cant be the only person who thinks it would be fun or cool. Obviously theres going to be people who dont like the idea, so just add them in as an optional vehicle to research, like those crappy 1.0 french tanks. players can still go down their tree without having to research some ww1 tech if they dont want it. I would love to see some real early tanks like the T1 cunningham, T2 Medium, FT Renault, MS-1, and all their varying models in the game.

Also, it seems like Gaijin doesnt add in vehicles that never left the blue print/experiment stage, but with those huge B.R. gaps, wouldnt it be worth a shot? i know there are a bunch of German VK type tanks in WoT but they arent present in WT, surely there has to be *some* room for these vehicles, surely they can be balanced in, right? Gaijin can only go forward in time so far before they run out of ideas.

[Max_Pain M.D]

best to keep it as april fools event.

[shadain597]

I mean, there's already some WWI ships in the game, but I think the ground/air vehicles would need to be at a lower BR than the reserves, which might be weird, or have a separate game mode, which the mere thought of triggers Gaijin's "oh god oh god not mah queue times!" reflex.

[ulzgoroth]

WWI tanks probably would be an all around bad idea. Remember that few if any of them actually had any design consideration for fighting other tanks.

WWI planes would be fine, but they'd need BRs lower than current 1.0 as shadain597 said.

WWI ships we already have a few. WWI destroyers would likely need to be lower than current tier I though.

[AttackerCat]

Fun, yes imo

Cool, yes imo

Realistically a possibility? Probably not. Even the most advanced aircraft of WWI were far outclasses by I-15s, P-26s, and other 1.0/reserve vehicles.
Likewise, tanks of WWI barely had AP ammunition to speak of, so something like a Pz 2, or an M2A4, would be capable of stomping them.
You'd have to restructure every tech tree to include them as well, it'd be very complex to implement imo.

[HOLY_YH4]

引用自 AttackerCat：

Fun, yes imo

Cool, yes imo

Realistically a possibility? Probably not. Even the most advanced aircraft of WWI were far outclasses by I-15s, P-26s, and other 1.0/reserve vehicles.
Likewise, tanks of WWI barely had AP ammunition to speak of, so something like a Pz 2, or an M2A4, would be capable of stomping them.
You'd have to restructure every tech tree to include them as well, it'd be very complex to implement imo.

True, but what about adding a system to the match maker for users that would only put people in ww1 vehicles against others in ww1 vehicles. and instead of having like 12+ player lobbies it would be like 6-8 player lobbies.

[HOLY_YH4]

And another question, why did they include certain models of tanks in other nation's trees that they didnt originate from, but exclude them from the ones they did? I.E. The Chinese M4A4 Sherman or Chinese M4A1 (75) W doesnt exist in the USA tech tree, despite being made from the USA. But then a contradiction to this is the M4A2 (76) W existing in both the USA and Soviet tree, since both the Chinese M4A1 (75) W and Soviet M4A2 (76) W were lend-lease vehicles.

[ulzgoroth]

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

引用自 AttackerCat：

Fun, yes imo

Cool, yes imo

Realistically a possibility? Probably not. Even the most advanced aircraft of WWI were far outclasses by I-15s, P-26s, and other 1.0/reserve vehicles.
Likewise, tanks of WWI barely had AP ammunition to speak of, so something like a Pz 2, or an M2A4, would be capable of stomping them.
You'd have to restructure every tech tree to include them as well, it'd be very complex to implement imo.

True, but what about adding a system to the match maker for users that would only put people in ww1 vehicles against others in ww1 vehicles. and instead of having like 12+ player lobbies it would be like 6-8 player lobbies.

shadain597 pretty much answered that: Gaijin is really unlikely to make a lot of new content for that variant that would probably hurt most of their metrics on the game.

[FizzyElf]

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

And another question, why did they include certain models of tanks in other nation's trees that they didnt originate from? I.E. The Chinese M4A4 Sherman or Chinese M4A1 (75) W doesnt exist in the USA tech tree, despite being made from the USA. But then a contradiction to this is the M4A2 (76) W existing in both the USA and Soviet tree, since both the Chinese M4A1 (75) W and Soviet M4A2 (76) W were lend-lease vehicles.

There is a ton of odd stuff like that, plus vehicles that were never finished like the Maus or even began production like the ironicly named Ho Ri "production" fighting mass produced tank models.

[ulzgoroth]

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

And another question, why did they include certain models of tanks in other nation's trees that they didnt originate from? I.E. The Chinese M4A4 Sherman or Chinese M4A1 (75) W doesnt exist in the USA tech tree, despite being made from the USA. But then a contradiction to this is the M4A2 (76) W existing in both the USA and Soviet tree, since both the Chinese M4A1 (75) W and Soviet M4A2 (76) W were lend-lease vehicles.

What contradiction? Trees have export vehicles where appropriate.

There might be some weird cases where a variant that was used in its home country only appears as an export version. But not all cases that look like that actually are - the M4A4 seems to have seen little if any use by US forces, but definitely was sent to and used by China. Similarly a discussion that happened the other day about F-104 Starfighter variants.

[HOLY_YH4]

引用自 ulzgoroth：

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

True, but what about adding a system to the match maker for users that would only put people in ww1 vehicles against others in ww1 vehicles. and instead of having like 12+ player lobbies it would be like 6-8 player lobbies.

shadain597 pretty much answered that: Gaijin is really unlikely to make a lot of new content for that variant that would probably hurt most of their metrics on the game.

I guess so, because the waiting times for the WW1 players would be really long since not many people may play them, and then the maps would be too big for even 12 player lobbies or 6 player teams, which then they would have to make way smaller maps, which then they might not do. And thats all that i could come up with, i dont know all the details of how match making systems work. But then again the quesiton still comes to my mind, if they would do this to vehicles like the French FCM. 36, where they make them optional and are included in normal match making systems, then why not other vehicles?

[ulzgoroth]

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

引用自 ulzgoroth：

shadain597 pretty much answered that: Gaijin is really unlikely to make a lot of new content for that variant that would probably hurt most of their metrics on the game.

I guess so, because the waiting times for the WW1 players would be really long since not many people may play them, and then the maps would be too big for even 12 player lobbies or 6 player teams, which then they would have to make way smaller maps, which then they might not do. And thats all that i could come up with, i dont know all the details of how match making systems work. But then again the quesiton still comes to my mind, if they would do this to vehicles like the French FCM. 36, where they make them optional and are included in normal match making systems, then why not other vehicles?

The BR 1.0 vehicles that got kicked out of the tech tree but are still extant were not, in cases I'm aware of, meant to be that way. The french ones used to be the French reserve tanks! They deprecated and replaced them because they were so horrendously bad. War Thunder AFAIK literally never takes a vehicle away from a player who already has it, so they didn't do so there either.

A WWI tank, though, they wouldn't put in by accident. So they really wouldn't have a plausible reason to model one in the first place, unless somebody on the inside snuck it in as a April Fools mode.

[HOLY_YH4]

引用自 ulzgoroth：

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

And another question, why did they include certain models of tanks in other nation's trees that they didnt originate from? I.E. The Chinese M4A4 Sherman or Chinese M4A1 (75) W doesnt exist in the USA tech tree, despite being made from the USA. But then a contradiction to this is the M4A2 (76) W existing in both the USA and Soviet tree, since both the Chinese M4A1 (75) W and Soviet M4A2 (76) W were lend-lease vehicles.

What contradiction? Trees have export vehicles where appropriate.

There might be some weird cases where a variant that was used in its home country only appears as an export version. But not all cases that look like that actually are - the M4A4 seems to have seen little if any use by US forces, but definitely was sent to and used by China. Similarly a discussion that happened the other day about F-104 Starfighter variants.

What I meant was, why would they include a model of one tank in one country, and exclude it from the one it originated from, but then have a different model of the same tank be included in both tech trees?

If Gaijin just does this to make the tree bigger, it wont really do anything to have the same tank in its respective country of origin, since plenty of copy/paste tanks already exist.

[HOLY_YH4]

引用自 ulzgoroth：

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

I guess so, because the waiting times for the WW1 players would be really long since not many people may play them, and then the maps would be too big for even 12 player lobbies or 6 player teams, which then they would have to make way smaller maps, which then they might not do. And thats all that i could come up with, i dont know all the details of how match making systems work. But then again the quesiton still comes to my mind, if they would do this to vehicles like the French FCM. 36, where they make them optional and are included in normal match making systems, then why not other vehicles?

The BR 1.0 vehicles that got kicked out of the tech tree but are still extant were not, in cases I'm aware of, meant to be that way. The french ones used to be the French reserve tanks! They deprecated and replaced them because they were so horrendously bad. War Thunder AFAIK literally never takes a vehicle away from a player who already has it, so they didn't do so there either.

A WWI tank, though, they wouldn't put in by accident. So they really wouldn't have a plausible reason to model one in the first place, unless somebody on the inside snuck it in as a April Fools mode.

Oh, okay. I didnt know the full reason why they did that, all i knew is that those vehicles changed their position in the tree and their research is weird.

[Illusionyary]

As I've said before, I really like the idea of WW1 tanks but the problem is the speed and mobility, or lack of it. These things were slow. Really slow. Ungodly slow. The fastest tank of the war was the Whippet, which did a whopping... 13KMH.

The Mark IV, Renault FT and A7V all did around 5-7KMH which would make for a miserable experience.

[shadain597]

引用自 Kreslavskiy：

引用自 ulzgoroth：

What contradiction? Trees have export vehicles where appropriate.

There might be some weird cases where a variant that was used in its home country only appears as an export version. But not all cases that look like that actually are - the M4A4 seems to have seen little if any use by US forces, but definitely was sent to and used by China. Similarly a discussion that happened the other day about F-104 Starfighter variants.

What I meant was, why would they include a model of one tank in one country, and exclude it from the one it originated from, but then have a different model of the same tank be included in both tech trees?

If Gaijin just does this to make the tree bigger, it wont really do anything to have the same tank in its respective country of origin, since plenty of copy/paste tanks already exist.

This really is just like that Starfighter variant thread. Just because a vehicle had it's origins in one nation does not mean that nation's military used every single variant. In-game, they really shouldn't have variants they didn't use, unless the tree really needs to fill a gap, though I'd also be okay with those being used as event vehicles--better than locking an iconic vehicle behind a limited-time grindfest or a player-controlled market that spirals out of control. Back on topic:

引用自 WT Wiki：

Because of the much more complex maintenance that the Chrysler engine required, the M4A4 was unpopular with American mechanics. Nearly all models were sent to the British, Soviets, and Chinese through Lend-lease.

So, yeah, M4A4 is an export variant.

引用自 WT Wiki：

The M4 Sherman tanks that arrived in Taiwan included 6 M4A1 (76) Ws mounted with D82081 turret, 2 M4A1 (76) Ws mounted with D50878 turret, and 22 M4A4 remanufacturing models. As these scrap tanks had been demilitarized and Taiwan lacked the ability to repair their 76 mm tank cannons, all M4A1 (76) W tanks were re-equipped with 75 mm cannons instead.

And the M4A1 in China's tree is actually a custom variant that barely existed in Taiwan, much less anywhere else in the world.