Tiger UHT Helicopter ruined Top Tier? No counterplay?

[Woofy McDoodle]

I am not the greatest expert when it comes to top tier. I know Germany is without a doubt the best faction not only in top tier, but the whole game. I recently played many games in Top Tier and I realised a big issue with the Tiger UHT. Its PARS 3 L "Fire and Forget" Rockets are uncounterable. As far as I know those rockets are fired and fly by themself into their target requiring no visual contact (correct if I am wrong). Meaning the Heli can aim and fire at a tank and instantly take cover while the rocket kills the target.

How is that fair? You are unable to counter that. You can not shot the heli down with Anti Air Vehicles unless you have lightspeed Rockets that fly through cover. Unless you have a plane up who sees that heli and manages to take it down, there is no possibility to kill it. The Tiger is equipped with 8 PARS 3, giving them 8 easy kills every single round.

Many people complain about the Ka50 as being OP, while I think the Ka50 only being 0.3 BRs lower is a joke compared to that. The Ka50 has no Thermals, their vikhr rockets are insanely slow, while you have to keep visual contact all the time making you an easy target. When the Tiger sits at 11.0, the Ka50 should be lowered to 9.3.

Anyway is there anything that I missed or is the Tiger seriously a vehicle that gives you a free win?

[Illusionyary]

Ka-50 at 9.3??????? No thanks.

[FizzyElf]

Illusionyary님이 먼저 게시:

Ka-50 at 9.3??????? No thanks.

Eh, Ka-50 is pretty bad but even if they moved it to 9.3 of the Heli RB/Sim BR bracket it would be just as bad as it is at 10.7. I really hope the Ka-50 stays at 10.7 though, it is the best way to uptier tanks to 10.0 for Russia and I love that about it.

As for the Tiger, yeah its OP but germany is one of the least played heli nations from what I have seen (which is sad seeing as they have a starter heli that is easier to use and better at killing tanks than the Ka-50, I fly both of them) and there is also the fact that practically no one actually has the Tiger so its very rare and it can't go any higher in BR seeing as its already 11.0.

[123]

what drugs are you on

[123]

I wish I was this delusional

[Kozi]

Woofy McDoodle님이 먼저 게시:

I am not the greatest expert when it comes to top tier. I know Germany is without a doubt the best faction not only in top tier, but the whole game. I recently played many games in Top Tier and I realised a big issue with the Tiger UHT. Its PARS 3 L "Fire and Forget" Rockets are uncounterable. As far as I know those rockets are fired and fly by themself into their target requiring no visual contact (correct if I am wrong). Meaning the Heli can aim and fire at a tank and instantly take cover while the rocket kills the target.

How is that fair? You are unable to counter that. You can not shot the heli down with Anti Air Vehicles unless you have lightspeed Rockets that fly through cover. Unless you have a plane up who sees that heli and manages to take it down, there is no possibility to kill it. The Tiger is equipped with 8 PARS 3, giving them 8 easy kills every single round.

Many people complain about the Ka50 as being OP, while I think the Ka50 only being 0.3 BRs lower is a joke compared to that. The Ka50 has no Thermals, their vikhr rockets are insanely slow, while you have to keep visual contact all the time making you an easy target. When the Tiger sits at 11.0, the Ka50 should be lowered to 9.3.

Anyway is there anything that I missed or is the Tiger seriously a vehicle that gives you a free win?

Smoke grenades as well as going into cover will make the PARS lose tracking, so there is some kind of counterplay but you have to be aware of the existence of the helicopter, which is kinda hard since it can easily stay hidden in cover. It isn't really guranteed 8 kills as those ATGM's aren't one shot kill, so I would say more like 6 kills if you're lucky.

Is it broken? Of course it is, by far the best anti ground heli in the game, the reason nobody complains is because those helis are so rare compared to Ka-50s and Ka-52s that people just don't really realise how good they are.

Fire and forget missiles for helis was a mistake and the fact they refuse to give it to the Apache because it would be "unbalanced" but gave it to the germans anyway just proves that Gaijin is indeed biased towards some nations.

[N1thecaptain]

FizzyElf님이 먼저 게시:

Illusionyary님이 먼저 게시:

Ka-50 at 9.3??????? No thanks.

Eh, Ka-50 is pretty bad but even if they moved it to 9.3 of the Heli RB/Sim BR bracket it would be just as bad as it is at 10.7. I really hope the Ka-50 stays at 10.7 though, it is the best way to uptier tanks to 10.0 for Russia and I love that about it.

As for the Tiger, yeah its OP but germany is one of the least played heli nations from what I have seen (which is sad seeing as they have a starter heli that is easier to use and better at killing tanks than the Ka-50, I fly both of them) and there is also the fact that practically no one actually has the Tiger so its very rare and it can't go any higher in BR seeing as its already 11.0.

How exactly is the glass bubble with 3.5 km range MCLOS missiles easier to use and better at killing tanks than the flying tank with missiles that can lock on from 10 km? Not to mention the Hokum has thermals, a 30mm autocannon, countermeasures, 3 times as many missiles and literally survives 120mm HEAT-FS shells straight to the cockpit. The highest caliber round to the cockpit I've ever survived in an Allouette was a softball thrown by a 6 year old, and that was a close call.

Edit: don't get me wrong, the Allouette is a good chopper. But saying that it's half as good as the Kamov is already kinda ridiculous, saying it's better is plain delusional,

[N1thecaptain]

Kozarsson님이 먼저 게시:

Woofy McDoodle님이 먼저 게시:

I am not the greatest expert when it comes to top tier. I know Germany is without a doubt the best faction not only in top tier, but the whole game. I recently played many games in Top Tier and I realised a big issue with the Tiger UHT. Its PARS 3 L "Fire and Forget" Rockets are uncounterable. As far as I know those rockets are fired and fly by themself into their target requiring no visual contact (correct if I am wrong). Meaning the Heli can aim and fire at a tank and instantly take cover while the rocket kills the target.

How is that fair? You are unable to counter that. You can not shot the heli down with Anti Air Vehicles unless you have lightspeed Rockets that fly through cover. Unless you have a plane up who sees that heli and manages to take it down, there is no possibility to kill it. The Tiger is equipped with 8 PARS 3, giving them 8 easy kills every single round.

Many people complain about the Ka50 as being OP, while I think the Ka50 only being 0.3 BRs lower is a joke compared to that. The Ka50 has no Thermals, their vikhr rockets are insanely slow, while you have to keep visual contact all the time making you an easy target. When the Tiger sits at 11.0, the Ka50 should be lowered to 9.3.

Anyway is there anything that I missed or is the Tiger seriously a vehicle that gives you a free win?

Smoke grenades as well as going into cover will make the PARS lose tracking, so there is some kind of counterplay but you have to be aware of the existence of the helicopter, which is kinda hard since it can easily stay hidden in cover. It isn't really guranteed 8 kills as those ATGM's aren't one shot kill, so I would say more like 6 kills if you're lucky.

Is it broken? Of course it is, by far the best anti ground heli in the game, the reason nobody complains is because those helis are so rare compared to Ka-50s and Ka-52s that people just don't really realise how good they are.

Fire and forget missiles for helis was a mistake and the fact they refuse to give it to the Apache because it would be "unbalanced" but gave it to the germans anyway just proves that Gaijin is indeed biased towards some nations.

Gaijin is not biased towards some nations. They are biased towards whatever gets them more cash. And since almost no one plays German choppers, not many people have the tiger UHT, so not many people get rekt by it, so not many people play it. If the US or USSR got f&f missiles for it's choppers, a lot more people would die to it, and a lot more people would stop playing because of it, which would decrease the amount of money for Gaijin. That's why they won't give other nations f&f missiles. But they also won't admit their mistake, because they are allmighty Gods who always know what's right and balanced

I 100% agree that no chopper should have gotten f&f missiles in the first place, it's like giving one person an M1 Garand and another person an M95 with 8x scope and a laser rangefinder and then having them do a sniper duel.

[FireFromBehind]

Woofy McDoodle님이 먼저 게시:

I am not the greatest expert when it comes to top tier. I know Germany is without a doubt the best faction not only in top tier, but the whole game. I recently played many games in Top Tier and I realised a big issue with the Tiger UHT. Its PARS 3 L "Fire and Forget" Rockets are uncounterable. As far as I know those rockets are fired and fly by themself into their target requiring no visual contact (correct if I am wrong). Meaning the Heli can aim and fire at a tank and instantly take cover while the rocket kills the target.

How is that fair? You are unable to counter that. You can not shot the heli down with Anti Air Vehicles unless you have lightspeed Rockets that fly through cover. Unless you have a plane up who sees that heli and manages to take it down, there is no possibility to kill it. The Tiger is equipped with 8 PARS 3, giving them 8 easy kills every single round.

Many people complain about the Ka50 as being OP, while I think the Ka50 only being 0.3 BRs lower is a joke compared to that. The Ka50 has no Thermals, their vikhr rockets are insanely slow, while you have to keep visual contact all the time making you an easy target. When the Tiger sits at 11.0, the Ka50 should be lowered to 9.3.

Anyway is there anything that I missed or is the Tiger seriously a vehicle that gives you a free win?

This must be a bait, thinking that Ka-50 should be 9.3, god no

[Akagi]

I want you to take any starter heli you have and take it into heli ec and you will realise what a good decision the Ka-50 at 9.3 would be. Or do you want to have starter helis at a br of 5.0 according to your big brain idea?

[Kozi]

N1thecaptain님이 먼저 게시:

Kozarsson님이 먼저 게시:

Smoke grenades as well as going into cover will make the PARS lose tracking, so there is some kind of counterplay but you have to be aware of the existence of the helicopter, which is kinda hard since it can easily stay hidden in cover. It isn't really guranteed 8 kills as those ATGM's aren't one shot kill, so I would say more like 6 kills if you're lucky.

Is it broken? Of course it is, by far the best anti ground heli in the game, the reason nobody complains is because those helis are so rare compared to Ka-50s and Ka-52s that people just don't really realise how good they are.

Fire and forget missiles for helis was a mistake and the fact they refuse to give it to the Apache because it would be "unbalanced" but gave it to the germans anyway just proves that Gaijin is indeed biased towards some nations.

Gaijin is not biased towards some nations. They are biased towards whatever gets them more cash. And since almost no one plays German choppers, not many people have the tiger UHT, so not many people get rekt by it, so not many people play it. If the US or USSR got f&f missiles for it's choppers, a lot more people would die to it, and a lot more people would stop playing because of it, which would decrease the amount of money for Gaijin. That's why they won't give other nations f&f missiles. But they also won't admit their mistake, because they are allmighty Gods who always know what's right and balanced

I 100% agree that no chopper should have gotten f&f missiles in the first place, it's like giving one person an M1 Garand and another person an M95 with 8x scope and a laser rangefinder and then having them do a sniper duel.

If you ever played top tier Sim, you'd see just how many people play the UHT there, it's terrible, matches basically end in less than 5 minutes. It's always a full 4 man squad of Squadron tryharders that all spawn with UHT, kill all enemy Ka-50s/52s/Mi28s, then go ham on all the ground targets.
It's almost impossible for the Kamovs to counter the UHTs as they need a direct line of sight to kill them, the UHTs dont.

As for the bias, we've seen that mostly, the 3 nations that dish out the most money are USSR, USA and Germany, although they kinda differ in what branch they add those blatantly OP vehicles to.
For USA, they really love to add a new CAS every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ update, meanwhile Russia has basically been without any competitive CAS until recently with the Mig27m, and even then, it gets slapped with an 1000SP cost to use, while better American CAS sit around 600sp.

Germany gets absolutely handheld with their tanks, 2A6 and 2PL are proof of that, they were added at a time when Germany was having a 60-70% wr and people were complaining they need a nerf, instead Gaijin gave them more Leos, even though the 2PL is a direct nerf to their WR because newbies boosting themselves up to top tier without any prior experience. As for their helis, the only reason they gave the f&f to UHT is because nobody was playing it before, henceforth nobody was paying money to get it either. Making it the only heli capable of f&f is a very attractive thing for whales, hell even I was close to falling into that and dishing out over 100 bucks to buy it.

Russia looks like it has the largest spenders in the tank tech tree, seeing they already have 200 000 t72 variants in the game with another million on their way. Heli pilots get their own feast as well with the KA50 probably being the best selling premium, no wonder they refuse to fix the Vikhrs, why should they when the Ka50s only selling point are the fact they have broken ass proxy, remove that and its a very mediocre helicopter even at 10.0

Like you said it yourself, Gaijin is very biased towards nations that will dish out the largest chunk of money.

[Neckstabba]

Mirage님이 먼저 게시:

You sure are confident about the situation at top tier for someone who admits they're no expert on the subject.

https://i.redd.it/2adiecpduj281.jpg

Free wins for Germany all around, Ka-50 suffers.

I lost OP at the sentence below.

Woofy McDoodle님이 먼저 게시:

I am not the greatest expert when it comes to top tier. I know Germany is without a doubt the best faction not only in top tier, but the whole game.

Clearly Germany is not the best faction in the whole game. Stop hating and git gud dude. Mirage posted a good example of the "winrate" of your so called OP Germany.

[Neckstabba]

123님이 먼저 게시:

I wish I was this delusional

Yes me too.

N1thecaptain님이 먼저 게시:

FizzyElf님이 먼저 게시:

Eh, Ka-50 is pretty bad but even if they moved it to 9.3 of the Heli RB/Sim BR bracket it would be just as bad as it is at 10.7. I really hope the Ka-50 stays at 10.7 though, it is the best way to uptier tanks to 10.0 for Russia and I love that about it.

As for the Tiger, yeah its OP but germany is one of the least played heli nations from what I have seen (which is sad seeing as they have a starter heli that is easier to use and better at killing tanks than the Ka-50, I fly both of them) and there is also the fact that practically no one actually has the Tiger so its very rare and it can't go any higher in BR seeing as its already 11.0.

How exactly is the glass bubble with 3.5 km range MCLOS missiles easier to use and better at killing tanks than the flying tank with missiles that can lock on from 10 km? Not to mention the Hokum has thermals, a 30mm autocannon, countermeasures, 3 times as many missiles and literally survives 120mm HEAT-FS shells straight to the cockpit. The highest caliber round to the cockpit I've ever survived in an Allouette was a softball thrown by a 6 year old, and that was a close call.

Edit: don't get me wrong, the Allouette is a good chopper. But saying that it's half as good as the Kamov is already kinda ridiculous, saying it's better is plain delusional,

This. Allouette is good, but saying Allouette is better than Ka-50 is delusional wth.

[N1thecaptain]

IR9 Andyflosse님이 먼저 게시:

123님이 먼저 게시:

I wish I was this delusional

Yes me too.

N1thecaptain님이 먼저 게시:

How exactly is the glass bubble with 3.5 km range MCLOS missiles easier to use and better at killing tanks than the flying tank with missiles that can lock on from 10 km? Not to mention the Hokum has thermals, a 30mm autocannon, countermeasures, 3 times as many missiles and literally survives 120mm HEAT-FS shells straight to the cockpit. The highest caliber round to the cockpit I've ever survived in an Allouette was a softball thrown by a 6 year old, and that was a close call.

Edit: don't get me wrong, the Allouette is a good chopper. But saying that it's half as good as the Kamov is already kinda ridiculous, saying it's better is plain delusional,

This. Allouette is good, but saying Allouette is better than Ka-50 is delusional wth.

He prolly got killed by it once and immediately decided it's OP

[Neckstabba]

N1thecaptain님이 먼저 게시:

IR9 Andyflosse님이 먼저 게시:

Yes me too.



This. Allouette is good, but saying Allouette is better than Ka-50 is delusional wth.

He prolly got killed by it once and immediately decided it's OP

There was one guy in another post that wanted to sell everyone that the Allouette spam destroys whole teams... like lol.

[SteelWolf45]

IR9 Andyflosse님이 먼저 게시:

N1thecaptain님이 먼저 게시:

He prolly got killed by it once and immediately decided it's OP

There was one guy in another post that wanted to sell everyone that the Allouette spam destroys whole teams... like lol.

It happens surprisingly little anymore, I remember once where one dude killed many of the renaming tanks of my team (causing his team to win), that was several months ago.