Joystick/HOTAS is super-hard....

[Rockhound504]

Am I doing it wrong? I've got a Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X. Compared to mouse&keyboard, the plane is nearly uncontrollable, and putting the guns on the target is next to impossible. Even the target planes in the tutorial that mostly fly straight and level are hard as hell to hit. Air combat maneuvering is pretty much impossible.

I've got the HOTAS sensitivity dialed down to ~35% and it's not really helping.

[Tom]

Are you playing sim?

[Rockhound504]

I was playing Arcade.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Rockhound504:

I was playing Arcade.

Use joysticks only in sim, there's no point in other gamemodes

[Shively]

Seconding what the others said. I fly with HOTAS myself, and the advantage mouse users have is so much that it's pointless going into arcade/realistic with a joystick. I only do RB to get through free repairs on aircraft then take it to sim mode. If Gaijin would make free repairs work properly in sim, however.. Not that there's any chance of that, it's been broken for years and nothing is ever done about it.

Sounds like you may be having other issues with your joystick settings though if you're unable to line up shots on the targets in the test flight mode. I wish I were more familiar with the T-flight, but I do have a Warthog setup by the same company.. Have you tried setting the difficulty to realistic or sim and doing test flights? The arcade flight models are simplified quite a bit, that may be causing some of your issues. Otherwise we need to have a look at your settings.

[ulzgoroth]

There is an advantage to real-controls in AB/RB, in that you can fly the plane a bit harder than the instructor in some cases, but the countervailing advantages of mouse aim are likely overwhelming.

Also, are you flying in AB in first person mode? I sure wouldn't want to joystick in third person, but third person is hugely advantageous for most flying purposes when it is allowed.

[E-Man720]

Originally posted by Rockhound504:

Am I doing it wrong? I've got a Thrustmaster T-flight HOTAS X. Compared to mouse&keyboard, the plane is nearly uncontrollable, and putting the guns on the target is next to impossible. Even the target planes in the tutorial that mostly fly straight and level are hard as hell to hit. Air combat maneuvering is pretty much impossible.

I've got the HOTAS sensitivity dialed down to ~35% and it's not really helping.

2 things

1- Do not try to use 3rd person, the camera wobbles everywhere making it super difficult, and I recommend turning sense of flight way down or off.

2- trims are your friend, however what are you having issues with specifically?

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Rockhound504:

I was playing Arcade.

Bro if you have HOTAS go play Sim thats it. AB/RB are meant to be played with MnK otherwise your chances are extremely slim

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Gonna have to go with the others. 0 reason to play any other mode besides Sim with a flight stick. Even RB, you're going to suffer.

I personally love playing VR + Joystick. You get the advantages of the joystick with the ability to look around of VR

[Rockhound504]

Originally posted by Shively:

Have you tried setting the difficulty to realistic or sim and doing test flights? The arcade flight models are simplified quite a bit, that may be causing some of your issues.

That may be it. I'll give it a shot in the higher-fidelity modes. Thanks!

[Rockhound504]

Thanks to you all. The Arcade is waaaay easier with Mouse/Keyboard. I'll try the HOTAS on the higher modes tomorrow.

[DrunkenTee]

Originally posted by Rockhound504:

Thanks to you all. The Arcade is waaaay easier with Mouse/Keyboard. I'll try the HOTAS on the higher modes tomorrow.

No, try it on Sim and nothing else. You wont have any fun and only receive pain if you are trying to play AB/RB with a HOTAS when they are complete Mouse and Keyboard ruled modes.

[E-Man720]

Originally posted by DrunkenTee:

Originally posted by Rockhound504:

Thanks to you all. The Arcade is waaaay easier with Mouse/Keyboard. I'll try the HOTAS on the higher modes tomorrow.

No, try it on Sim and nothing else. You wont have any fun and only receive pain if you are trying to play AB/RB with a HOTAS when they are complete Mouse and Keyboard ruled modes.

The one exception is bombers in RB, many of them handle a lot better on stick and the more direct control can make evasion easier and you don't have to worry about guns on target.

[Schublade]

You wanna know the most joy I had in the whole month I resubbed? in the last days i wasted all my SL on a few sim flights. And I had a blast.

I resubbed cause I wanted to test VR with HP reverb g2 (some cockpits are ok and a few are really good btw). But RB is a waste because almost everybody is flying with external viewpoint as shown by famous youtubers. Therefore flying has nothing to with the real experience. Almost all manouvers would be inpossible if you have to move your neck to see about, looking at high six, five or seven os really hard, dead six or below os impossibe. All that manouvering and deflection shooting on youtube is impossible ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's a disgrace, you neglect why planes and cockpits are build they way they are build and the evolution of planes. And you dishonour everyone who flew and fought in a real plane because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you can pull of in RB because of external view. Youtubers you know who you are.

In Sim I shot down an A7 with the German Sabre F-86D, a lonely guns kill after finding and tracking the plane with search radar and a proper intercept on his return from a bombing mission. The way the plane was designed for. That plane ist totally useless in RB because guns but no ammo, you can't hit ♥♥♥♥ because you are pilöting with Stick/Hotas and you get no sidewinders until fully equipped which you don't because of BR.

Also I outturned and gunned down a F-4c with my F-4F. Which never happens in RB because everybody sees you and jumps you from close and afar.

Honoary mention to that AJ-37, if I hadn't ripped of one flap because of getting to fast (I hate it of that happens to me) and crashed into the ground there would have been more fun.

This game is never going to be fair if is not equippment locked. In two ways: Those who want to pilot with stick and HOTAs should be separated from the mouse and the joypad crouwd. VR vs VR. And fairness in the visuals does not depend on grade of graphics settings but also on pixels per inch. I dont care if you got 4k on a 28 inch it's comparable pixels per inch what's decisive.

[Lord_Shaxx(ProjectFW)]

things i have noticed with the HOTAS in RB is that you can track missiles a LOT better with a HOTAS and switching firing modes is also a lot easier with HOTAS hotkeys, and since i fly a mirage 2000 sc4 that plane relies on its missiles to do 90% of the work this is where the HOTAS is more useful however i will state that flying the mirage 2000 is rather difficult due to some pitch correction issues on the mirage 2000 causing the plane to pitch down while the joystick is completely level.

[Schublade]

Originally posted by Lord_Shaxx(ProjectFW):

things i have noticed with the HOTAS in RB is that you can track missiles a LOT better with a HOTAS and switching firing modes is also a lot easier with HOTAS hotkeys, and since i fly a mirage 2000 sc4 that plane relies on its missiles to do 90% of the work this is where the HOTAS is more useful however i will state that flying the mirage 2000 is rather difficult due to some pitch correction issues on the mirage 2000 causing the plane to pitch down while the joystick is completely level.

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