Smurfers are a serious problem

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Really, you can't just let a lvl 100 go against lvl 10 or 20

That's unfair

[B.D.Godde]

Publicado originalmente por AttackerCat:

Publicado originalmente por ♠Gamer3106♠:

I have in total won 2 matches and lost 6 today

In all matches there were smurfs.
Lvl100 even at 4.7

Smurfing implies the high level players have alternate accounts to club low level players with.

As WT does not take player level nor skill into matchmaking consideration, there is no need to smurf, any level can play any BR.

Also, I love my 4.7 British tanks. The Firefly being one of my favorites. I have no vested interested in modern MBTs, you're not really suggesting to pin people to higher BRs just because they're higher level right?
I mean, Gaijin regularly gives tier 1 and 2 reward vehicles. I earned those, I like to play them.
I prefer WWII vehicles, not modern stuff, I like to play Shermans over M1s.
Also, as a fun fact, I was level 100 before tanks existed. And still was level 100 as new tech trees were added. If you're implying high level players shouldn't be allowed to play low BRs, how shall they unlock new vehicles?

Some would argue that you've probably had just as many level 100 people on your team as you saw on the enemy team. Therefore it comes down to the collective skill and playing to objectives of each team, versus the level of the players on them.

Just some food for thought.

however gaijin does not take into account player experience
so it is entirely possible to have a match with all lvl 100s vs some lvl 30s and a few lvl 7s (especially if you're versing German rank III)

I don't think that player level is a true indication of skill either, however it's the only measurement of skill we could theoretically use to balance in-game.

[Torn_Apart]

Publicado originalmente por theGoddes:

Publicado originalmente por AttackerCat:

Smurfing implies the high level players have alternate accounts to club low level players with.

As WT does not take player level nor skill into matchmaking consideration, there is no need to smurf, any level can play any BR.

Also, I love my 4.7 British tanks. The Firefly being one of my favorites. I have no vested interested in modern MBTs, you're not really suggesting to pin people to higher BRs just because they're higher level right?
I mean, Gaijin regularly gives tier 1 and 2 reward vehicles. I earned those, I like to play them.
I prefer WWII vehicles, not modern stuff, I like to play Shermans over M1s.
Also, as a fun fact, I was level 100 before tanks existed. And still was level 100 as new tech trees were added. If you're implying high level players shouldn't be allowed to play low BRs, how shall they unlock new vehicles?

Some would argue that you've probably had just as many level 100 people on your team as you saw on the enemy team. Therefore it comes down to the collective skill and playing to objectives of each team, versus the level of the players on them.

Just some food for thought.

however gaijin does not take into account player experience
so it is entirely possible to have a match with all lvl 100s vs some lvl 30s and a few lvl 7s (especially if you're versing German rank III)

I don't think that player level is a true indication of skill either, however it's the only measurement of skill we could theoretically use to balance in-game.

Im against displaying it publicly but a k/d ratio could be used as a measurement maybe?
I still say its better to reward low level players than punish high level players.
By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

[Canadian Guitar]

Publicado originalmente por Something Wicked:

By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

So now let's implement something that actually ENCOURAGES smurfing (a high skill/experience person creating a new account to reap the benefits of having a new account)

[shadain597]

Publicado originalmente por Something Wicked:

Publicado originalmente por theGoddes:

however gaijin does not take into account player experience
so it is entirely possible to have a match with all lvl 100s vs some lvl 30s and a few lvl 7s (especially if you're versing German rank III)

I don't think that player level is a true indication of skill either, however it's the only measurement of skill we could theoretically use to balance in-game.

Im against displaying it publicly but a k/d ratio could be used as a measurement maybe?
I still say its better to reward low level players than punish high level players.
By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

I think average score in matches of that game mode (+possibly BR bracket and/or nation) would be better than straight K/D, but even that is superior to using level alone.

IMO you don't really need a reward for defeating a higher-level opponent, and I can't see it as a "fix" for anything, but I also don't see it causing any harm.

Publicado originalmente por Canadian Guitar:

Publicado originalmente por Something Wicked:

By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

So now let's implement something that actually ENCOURAGES smurfing (a high skill/experience person creating a new account to reap the benefits of having a new account)

How would that encourage people to smurf? The only benefit would be that your "smurf" account could catch up to your original account a bit faster than before.

[Torn_Apart]

Publicado originalmente por Canadian Guitar:

Publicado originalmente por Something Wicked:

By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

So now let's implement something that actually ENCOURAGES smurfing (a high skill/experience person creating a new account to reap the benefits of having a new account)

Can we get over the use of the word smurfing? Its not what the op created the thread for. True smurfing as you rightly point out is frankly imposible to counter but thats ok because i seriously doubt many people do it.... After all, whats the point?
The thread really is about high level accounts (see what i did there?) being subject to a nerf to effectively force them to play high tier.
Im high level. I dont play high tier.
Dont try and force me.

[Torn_Apart]

Publicado originalmente por shadain597:

Publicado originalmente por Something Wicked:

Im against displaying it publicly but a k/d ratio could be used as a measurement maybe?
I still say its better to reward low level players than punish high level players.
By all means give a 1000 sl reward for popping level 100 player if the killer is below a certain level.
Hell pick a higher reward but dont punish people for progressing.

I think average score in matches of that game mode (+possibly BR bracket and/or nation) would be better than straight K/D, but even that is superior to using level alone.

IMO you don't really need a reward for defeating a higher-level opponent, and I can't see it as a "fix" for anything, but I also don't see it causing any harm.

Publicado originalmente por Canadian Guitar:

So now let's implement something that actually ENCOURAGES smurfing (a high skill/experience person creating a new account to reap the benefits of having a new account)

How would that encourage people to smurf? The only benefit would be that your "smurf" account could catch up to your original account a bit faster than before.

I dont really think what i said as a fix either. Its more a case of giving something to new players who do well rather than punishing those who may not do well but have been playing a long time. It would have given me a bit of a smile on my face when i was a newer player at least, knowing i had taken out a supposedly mighty high level player despite level not really meaning anything.

[Illusionyary]

Why are you bothering to individually check the profiles of everyone to see their level? That's probably why you're dying.

Instead of being salty that a shark killed you in a game that throws you into the deep end, look at how you died and what you did wrong. Did you not clear an area, were you in the open, did you shoot wrong, etc etc.

Learn from your mistakes and improve.

[Kettenkrad]

ok this is stupid, how many times have you seen a single person lead a game, it is very rare. This is where smurfers may be the problem (For the enemy team).

War thunder is a team based game, even if somebody is independent, you may still call on the map or spot somewhere which will show on the map.

Crew skill doesn't matter if you get the first good shot. Like in actual tank combat the first to shoot win, if you pen them, you've crippled them.

When I was first starting War thunder, I went germany. I excelled at playing the panzer III, to the point I'd get first place very often, this was while I was still new to the game and I barely knew ♥♥♥♥ about tanks.

You know what I did, I adapted. That dude has better mobility and turning, how about I rush him instead of hiding and letting him come to me. That dude has the same tank but is level 100 and has better reloading, doesnt matter, taking the first shot to cripple him and take down his crew is a higher priority.


In war thunder you have choices you make. someone at point blank and took out you turret ring only, you have 2 choices, repair or turn your hull and try to kill em.

Few tanks require no skill, when you play a vehicle the gun and armor is not everything, it is how you play, how you think, what you do.

Tell me, if you play tanks in low br, how many time have you shot someone without damaging their tracks, transmission, or engine. but instead of reversing, they sit still and repair.

You have the choice, you have the choice to flank, repair, shoot, wait, etc

Hell Im around level 30, I bring 1.0 vehicles into 7.3-10.7 and kill people (the 22mm armored car, not the sturmpanzer) by making choice on when to attack, when to repair, when to run away, when to do whatever, where to go, I live and get a kill probably pissing of the dude i killed

And those since 10.7s they are levels WAY higher than me, they have guns, armor, and sometime mobility better than me, even taking in night vision and thermal,


Playstyle is one of the most important factors, if you cant find a good way to play your tank and utilize its advantages, why even play it. Anyone can make their own playstyle whether in a quick or short time since its all based on their experience and adaptation

its like the tiger crisis, people who cant play it complain to lower br. People who can play it right and angle are godlike in matches because they use all they advantages and try to limit the flaw,
Those who fight against it that complain just dont even find out solid ways to easily kill it because they want one or two shot kills without resistance
Then there are those who say its easiy to kill tiger because they actually know how to and take advantage of the amount of retarded tiger players

[Z.E.R.T.]

they need to cap block 100 to 10.7 and they can't go lower tier

[ErickaUnlimited]

Publicado originalmente por Z.E.R.T.:

they need to cap block 100 to 10.7 and they can't go lower tier

That would never be a viable option.

[Acidic__Thought]

So if someone plays exclusively air arcade and gets to level 100, they’re not allowed to get into tanks at all now? Man that sounds stupid, almost as stupid as restricting things by account level.

[B.D.Godde]

Publicado originalmente por Z.E.R.T.:

they need to cap block 100 to 10.7 and they can't go lower tier

you can make it to lvl 100 without getting to top tier
I know a player with only rank 3s unlocked (but for every single nation) and they've been at lvl 100 for years

[Dr. Ghost]

Publicado originalmente por ♠Gamer3106♠:

Really, you can't just let a lvl 100 go against lvl 10 or 20

That's unfair

If this game had an in depth ranking system like R6 or something I'd understand this, but its a super casual game with really in depth mechanics. Its good new players get exposed to skill, I think it makes them better in the long run but that's just me.

[B.D.Godde]

Publicado originalmente por Phobos:

Publicado originalmente por ♠Gamer3106♠:

Really, you can't just let a lvl 100 go against lvl 10 or 20

That's unfair

If this game had an in depth ranking system like R6 or something I'd understand this, but its a super casual game with really in depth mechanics. Its good new players get exposed to skill, I think it makes them better in the long run but that's just me.

war thunder, by design, is super unwelcoming to new players
that's just the way it is

[Delta Green]

Publicado originalmente por theGoddes:

Publicado originalmente por Phobos:

If this game had an in depth ranking system like R6 or something I'd understand this, but its a super casual game with really in depth mechanics. Its good new players get exposed to skill, I think it makes them better in the long run but that's just me.

war thunder, by design, is super unwelcoming to new players
that's just the way it is

You could say that for any game or MMO that continues to be supported through major content over many years. I started back when there was no tanks or naval vessels, no jets or the like, and I've worked my way through much of this over the years. A new player starting now is greeted with a huge grind of things they want, but is that really the game's fault?