F-5E

[📈Business Woof📈]

complete garbage. All the hype yet again for nothing

[florble mcfumperdink]

Surely this is a bait post, right?

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Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Surely this is a bait post, right?

Wtf is that?

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by SpaceWolf Donut:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Surely this is a bait post, right?

Wtf is that?

A bait post, specifically on the steam forums of this game, is when you make a sarcastic post calling a given competitive vehicle bad in order to invite an argument and then watch the world burn.

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Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by SpaceWolf Donut:

Wtf is that?

A bait post, specifically on the steam forums of this game, is when you make a sarcastic post calling a given competitive vehicle bad in order to invite an argument and then watch the world burn.

Not really. I'm just stating my opinion thats it. It's not sarcastic. I'm serious about all my posts.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by SpaceWolf Donut:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

A bait post, specifically on the steam forums of this game, is when you make a sarcastic post calling a given competitive vehicle bad in order to invite an argument and then watch the world burn.

Not really. I'm just stating my opinion thats it. It's not sarcastic. I'm serious about all my posts.

Hm, well now I'm curious, what about it throws you off. Is it the fact it only has two missiles, is it the low top speed, or is the different muzzle velocity of the M39A1 revolver cannons compared to the M61A1 vulcan causing you to under lead?

[📈Business Woof📈]

All of it honestly. The guns are meh despite them being good 20mm's. Plane is way too slow for its BR i feel like. Currently the only way to spade is to die thru it while getting like 100-300 RP per match. You get clubbed by R60's from all sides and even flares fail to do anything 60% of the time.
Even the F-104 or F4C would be better than the F5E at its BR

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by SpaceWolf Donut:

All of it honestly. The guns are meh despite them being good 20mm's. Plane is way too slow for its BR i feel like. Currently the only way to spade is to die thru it while getting like 100-300 RP per match. You get clubbed by R60's from all sides and even flares fail to do anything 60% of the time.
Even the F-104 or F4C would be better than the F5E at its BR

Hmmm I have a few questions.

1: Do you have the 20mm belts researched and if so, are you using armored targets? The HE rounds in the M39A1s are useless since they tend to spark, and the stock belts are 60% practice shells and HE, you need Armored Target belts because the whole thing is API.

2: When you flare a missile, are you turning hard into its flight path and going off of afterburner? I find that, while flares are very effective against R60s, keeping on the afterburner in basically any plane is kind of asking to die.

3: Are you always going for full commit dogfights or are you darting in and out of the furball going for slow MiGs? As with any plane, when you aren't upgraded you effectively need to play as a support fighter.

Edit: Also, when using flares you are spacing them apart by about 1 second each right? If you machinegun them out in a single stream it will just make a heat signature trail that will lead the missile to you.

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1. I dont have the shells yet because im trying to get the missiles first. Its already a pain researching anything on it
2. Yes. Afterburner is always off when evading and i always turn hard. But most missiles keep tracking still.
3. I try all gamplay styles but nothing really works. Dogfights seem to be whacky as the mig21 still turns way better somehow and once you are in a good dogfight some douche enemy comes and missiles you awyay. Boom an Zoom is also meh as you simply dont have the speed to get out of a battlefield and next thing you know you have 3 missiles following you

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by SpaceWolf Donut:

1. I dont have the shells yet because im trying to get the missiles first. Its already a pain researching anything on it
2. Yes. Afterburner is always off when evading and i always turn hard. But most missiles keep tracking still.
3. I try all gamplay styles but nothing really works. Dogfights seem to be whacky as the mig21 still turns way better somehow and once you are in a good dogfight some douche enemy comes and missiles you awyay. Boom an Zoom is also meh as you simply dont have the speed to get out of a battlefield and next thing you know you have 3 missiles following you

Okay so, as a first thing I'm going to link a video with maneuvers that allow you to dodge high G missiles without using flares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ij4Tc4-HYk

Second, I would suggest going back to get the gun belts then focusing on performance mods while trying your best to learn the guns. You aren't in a Mach 2 plane with stupidly good high end acceleration and top speed, so you REALLY need your thrust and aerodynamics boosts from airframe and engine upgrades.

Third of all, while the F-5s are generally "slow" compared to everything else they face, they do have very good energy retention above 950 KMH, so I would suggest using that to your advantage over Phantoms, MiG 21s, and Mirages as you will be able to out-last them very easily.

Fourth of all, I recommend sticking to the rate fight in the horizontal as opposed to one circle fights based off of AoA and nose pointing. While you can most definitely compete with and even outperform nearly every other aircraft in a one circle, you evidently are far from your comfort zone with this plane and its armament.

Make sure to get the G-suit modification as fast as possible as well, it definitely improved your dogfight endurance. Also, make sure your pilot has good stamina and g-tolerance.

This is the best i can do in-terms of advice, hopefully it helps.

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i just got the 30mm weapon. Its a little bit easier now to get any kills

[florble mcfumperdink]

I've come back to interject something about the F-5E's flares, you only release one at a time so take flares reinforced for countermeasures, as it releases two flares at once and is much more effective at distracting missiles.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

I have heard the stock grind for F-5E and J-7E is quite painful.

They seem quite beastly fully upgraded though from what I have seen online.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Leonov:

I have heard the stock grind for F-5E and J-7E is quite painful.

They seem quite beastly fully upgraded though from what I have seen online.

Yeah, both are the same as the F-4E and MiG-21 BIS in that regard. Stock? Absolute pain. Spaded? Monstrous in every possible sense of the word.

[Jaes]

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Originally posted by Leonov:

I have heard the stock grind for F-5E and J-7E is quite painful.

They seem quite beastly fully upgraded though from what I have seen online.

Yeah, both are the same as the F-4E and MiG-21 BIS in that regard. Stock? Absolute pain. Spaded? Monstrous in every possible sense of the word.

This is pretty much always going to be the case with top tier vehicles, especially when you're up against other players that already have maxed out crews/spaded planes of their own.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Jaes:

Originally posted by florble mcfumperdink:

Yeah, both are the same as the F-4E and MiG-21 BIS in that regard. Stock? Absolute pain. Spaded? Monstrous in every possible sense of the word.

This is pretty much always going to be the case with top tier vehicles, especially when you're up against other players that already have maxed out crews/spaded planes of their own.

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