German 5.3-6.3 CAS

[Jared]

Anyone else think that Germany's C.A.S. is completely absent in these BRs? Germany basically has zero designated C.A.S. Planes in this BR.

The U.S. has the P-47, AD-2, and AD-4 at this BR, as well as some other aircraft that I do not exactly remember the names of. These aircraft are purebred C.A.S. Planes and they do their job exceptionally. The P-47 can carry an extremely large bomb load as well has HVAR missiles. The P-47 is also a tank, being able to withstand multiple shots from German MG-151 20mm Rounds.

The U.S.S.R. has the SU-6s, the main one being the SU-6 (AM-42). The AM-42 model of the SU-6 can have it's entire loadout modified, even the cannons on the plane are interchangeable based on the modifications you own. It can also carry bombs and rockets on top of either a NS-37 37mm Auto Cannon or the VYa-23 23mm Auto cannon. Both of these cannons are absolutely outstanding in their performance, being able to penetrate armor and deal with threats in the air with ease.

Now what about Germany? Germany has few designated C.A.S. aircraft at this BR. Yes there is the HS-129B-3, HS-129B-2, JU-87G-1+JU-87G-2, HE-219, BF-110G-2, ME-410, and a Few others. These aircraft are all great planes, but they dont have the ability to carry multiple arms to deal with tanks. Its either a 37mm-75mm Cannon, Wfr.Gr21. Missiles, or Bombs from 50kg+. These options are great if used correctly, the HS-129B-3 in my experience has been able to take out tanks all the way to 6.0 BR. I really do enjoy all of these planes, but without any significant C.A.S. aircraft at Mid BRs, its hard to enjoy using an aircraft. Germany seriously needs some sort of significant C.A.S. aircraft that can carry bombs, rockets, and/or a cannon.

My Proposal: I think that Germany needs to receive a SU-6 (AM-42) for many reasons. The main and obvious one mentioned above is it's outstanding armament choices, these armament choices are wide and very good for Anti-tank purposes. My second reason is that giving a Premium Variant of the SU-6 (AM-42) represented by a Captured Russian Aircraft is that it will balance out the C.A.S. aircraft at this BR. America, Russia, Britain, and France all have their own C.A.S. aircraft that are purebred for that purpose. In no way am I saying that Germany can't use small to medium sized bombs for C.A.S., but I am suggesting that having more options for Germany to be able to fight tanks with more ease and with an aircraft that can reward more and take care of more tanks in one go.

I am open to discussion and I will accept any Feedback, take this post with a grain of salt because this is my experiences with German C.A.S. at this specific BR.

[FizzyElf]

Any plane can be a C.A.S. aircraft if your brave enough...

There are drop off points in the tech trees where you lose access to better CAS, Heavy tanks, Frigates, attack boats, torpedo aircraft and pretty much everything in between. This makes nations shine at certain points of your climb through the Battle Ranks and suffer at others. Sweden gets better and easier to use case mates than other nations early on but lacks a strong medium and heavy line up, France gains access great armor quickly and early on and they dish out enough fire power to hold off other early tanks but they lack speed, Germany gets some awful rank 1-2 tanks but they preform amazingly in higher BR brackets, and then these same nations will have many shining features like these stripped later on. The Swedish lose their case mates and gain some truly incredible turreted tank destroyers (is there a name for these? like case mate usually means hull mounted gun, so would it be a turret mate tank destroyer if it has a turret?) and awesome light tanks, the french heavy armor fades away and turns into some rather fun medium tanks, both foreign and built in house and they get some additional speed in the trade off, and Germany begins to lose the great uptier tanks in favor of good vehicles that preform better in + or - 1 BR matches rather than the + 5 BR of earlier tanks. This happens throughout the tech trees for ground, air and water. Each nation should suck at a certain point both to help other nations shine and to try and get players to invest time in other nations after having their butt kicked by them. I got my rank 1 tank line up chewed to pieces by American and Russian players whilst playing the other nations but by rank 2 America and France began to shine, then Germany, Sweden, Russia and china at rank 3 and a little of 4. In the air it was Russian and Germans who dominated rank 1 and then passed the torch to the USA later on.

Every nation will have a low point where they're are terrible, a point where they're are okay and a point where they're great, push through the low points and you just might be rewarded, unless your an Italian tanker, hope you like the R3

[Leo]

You ask for CAS planes between 5.3-6.3 yet every German CAS at 5.3 and below fills that gap along with the first Arado. The only reason the German CAS at 5.3 is not 5.7 or 6.0 is that they are dedicated interceptors and Ground Attackers, not fighters. So that any higher BR would be stupid to put them at because of air RB.

[shadain597]

Messaggio originale di 83athom:

Plus the AU is 5.7 while the B-17 in question is 4.7 (the 5.3 B-17 carries more than the AU, and is concentrated in bigger bombs instead of having most of it spread out in smaller bombs). In comparisons between the two, the AU is a wallowing pig while carrying that much ordinance while the B-17 performs pretty much the same with or without the bombs.

Nope, you are incorrect. The 5.3 B-17 carries up to 8k; either 2k x 4 or 1k x 8. The AU-1's maximum load is 2k x 1 + 1.6k x 2 + 0.5k x 6 = 8.2k lb total. While I agree that 1k bombs are a better CAS size than going from 2k to 0.5k, fighter-bombers tend to be a better fit for Ground RB meta than lumbering 4-engine bombers.

[Jared]

Messaggio originale di shadain597:

Messaggio originale di 83athom:

Plus the AU is 5.7 while the B-17 in question is 4.7 (the 5.3 B-17 carries more than the AU, and is concentrated in bigger bombs instead of having most of it spread out in smaller bombs). In comparisons between the two, the AU is a wallowing pig while carrying that much ordinance while the B-17 performs pretty much the same with or without the bombs.

Nope, you are incorrect. The 5.3 B-17 carries up to 8k; either 2k x 4 or 1k x 8. The AU-1's maximum load is 2k x 1 + 1.6k x 2 + 0.5k x 6 = 8.2k lb total. While I agree that 1k bombs are a better CAS size than going from 2k to 0.5k, fighter-bombers tend to be a better fit for Ground RB meta than lumbering 4-engine bombers.

Buttt the AU-1 is single engine

[Pozieres]

Me 410 B-6/R3 shreds ground vehicles, also the Fw 190 F-8 packs a hell of a punch too with 30 mm boom sticks of death and AP shells. IDK why you are complaining? Why? Do you want a captured A-10 at BR5.3 for Germans?

[9imperator8]

You also forgot the ME-262 with the 50mm at 6.3. It is great at CAS.

[Haegler]

Messaggio originale di 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

You cant say that Allied AA is inferior, the M19 and M42 easily shred aircraft better than the wirbelwind and Ostwind. Yes they both have large guns with a lot of tracers, but from experiences from me using the wirbelwind, and seeing allies use the wirbelwind compared to US M19s and M42s, it shows that the M19 is more consistent at killing aircraft than german AA. You also cant forget Russian AA which is great.

Have you...have you ever played those AAs?

As someone who spaded all Russian AAs till the ZSU-37 now, I am so far very underwhelmed. The GAZ 4M truck was literally my best AA experience.

They are slow firing, inaccurate and completely underarmoured, meaning you have trouble hitting an aircraft flying straight at you and can easily be killed by simple MGs.

Having played the M42 in the Japanese tree, it was one of the hottest trashbin fires of an AA I ever had. Slow firerate and exploded whenever a plane just coughed at it because it had all its ammunition at the top. It was ridiculous.

German AA in comparison is beastly. Amazing anti tank capability (except the 37mm), very good rate of fire, good mobility, very good protection. These AAs absolutely clean the skies. Allies can be happy that the Coelian is no longer researchable, that thing was the beastiest of all the German AA and just so ludicrously superior to anything the other nations had, it wasn't even funny anymore.

[Shard]

Messaggio originale di 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

You cant say that Allied AA is inferior, the M19 and M42 easily shred aircraft better than the wirbelwind and Ostwind. Yes they both have large guns with a lot of tracers, but from experiences from me using the wirbelwind, and seeing allies use the wirbelwind compared to US M19s and M42s, it shows that the M19 is more consistent at killing aircraft than german AA. You also cant forget Russian AA which is great.

You should try playing either the M19 or M42. I bet you'd have a lot of fun.

Yes, if you do hit someone there's like a 50% they die, but the big funni is, that as soon as a single German shell from any plane hits you, your ammo detonates. I've had people literally strafe me for less than a second. And guess what. I blew up.

These both have such bad survivability, I'd rather sit in the first British SPAA and cry, because anything is better than being a mobile explosives carrier.

Russian AA's are ***. The trucks all have no survivability and are either good at memeing ground vehicles or good at nothing. ZiS-43 and ZSU-37 are both awful. ZSU-57-2 has not anti air ability. The only somewhat ok one is the BTR-152, but it also has no survivability. Literally the first really great SPAA that does its job wonderfully is the Shilka.

Alone this reply makes it so incredibly clear that you have no idea about how other factions play out. Maybe you should switch factions and get some other perspective.

As for the actual main topic, I used the Me-410 with the 50mm cannon for 4.0-6.3. I could have switched to other planes, but it's so good, I doubt there's anything Gaijin could add that'd really be a upgrade.