German 5.3-6.3 CAS

[Jared]

Anyone else think that Germany's C.A.S. is completely absent in these BRs? Germany basically has zero designated C.A.S. Planes in this BR.

The U.S. has the P-47, AD-2, and AD-4 at this BR, as well as some other aircraft that I do not exactly remember the names of. These aircraft are purebred C.A.S. Planes and they do their job exceptionally. The P-47 can carry an extremely large bomb load as well has HVAR missiles. The P-47 is also a tank, being able to withstand multiple shots from German MG-151 20mm Rounds.

The U.S.S.R. has the SU-6s, the main one being the SU-6 (AM-42). The AM-42 model of the SU-6 can have it's entire loadout modified, even the cannons on the plane are interchangeable based on the modifications you own. It can also carry bombs and rockets on top of either a NS-37 37mm Auto Cannon or the VYa-23 23mm Auto cannon. Both of these cannons are absolutely outstanding in their performance, being able to penetrate armor and deal with threats in the air with ease.

Now what about Germany? Germany has few designated C.A.S. aircraft at this BR. Yes there is the HS-129B-3, HS-129B-2, JU-87G-1+JU-87G-2, HE-219, BF-110G-2, ME-410, and a Few others. These aircraft are all great planes, but they dont have the ability to carry multiple arms to deal with tanks. Its either a 37mm-75mm Cannon, Wfr.Gr21. Missiles, or Bombs from 50kg+. These options are great if used correctly, the HS-129B-3 in my experience has been able to take out tanks all the way to 6.0 BR. I really do enjoy all of these planes, but without any significant C.A.S. aircraft at Mid BRs, its hard to enjoy using an aircraft. Germany seriously needs some sort of significant C.A.S. aircraft that can carry bombs, rockets, and/or a cannon.

My Proposal: I think that Germany needs to receive a SU-6 (AM-42) for many reasons. The main and obvious one mentioned above is it's outstanding armament choices, these armament choices are wide and very good for Anti-tank purposes. My second reason is that giving a Premium Variant of the SU-6 (AM-42) represented by a Captured Russian Aircraft is that it will balance out the C.A.S. aircraft at this BR. America, Russia, Britain, and France all have their own C.A.S. aircraft that are purebred for that purpose. In no way am I saying that Germany can't use small to medium sized bombs for C.A.S., but I am suggesting that having more options for Germany to be able to fight tanks with more ease and with an aircraft that can reward more and take care of more tanks in one go.

I am open to discussion and I will accept any Feedback, take this post with a grain of salt because this is my experiences with German C.A.S. at this specific BR.

[halolo39]

lol you blatantly forget that Do-335, ME410 with 30mm and 50mm, FW190 F8 and D12/13, Ju188 and 288, and last HE 219.

[Jared]

You see, I'm stating the fact that we need designated C.A.S. aircraft. Firstly, the JU-188 and JU-288 are large and easily destroy able by AA fire, not to mention they arent C.A.S. aircraft. Secondly, the ME-410 was mentioned up there if you'd read faster than you can type. Thirdly, the DO-335 only has large pen abilities with the Armored Target Belts for the MK-108s, but they perform like HVAPs, great penetration with low post penetration. Forthly, I also said the HE-219 if you'd kindly reread my post.

[Jared]

Originally posted by halolo39:

lol you blatantly forget that Do-335, ME410 with 30mm and 50mm, FW190 F8 and D12/13, Ju188 and 288, and last HE 219.

Also remember how I specifically stated, "HS-129B-3, HS-129B-2, JU-87G-1+JU-87G-2, HE-219, BF-110G-2, ME-410, and a Few others." A lot of emphasis on the "AND a Few Others."

[Perc]

SU-6 (AM-42) is inferior to any Deutsch planes.

[CH13F]

between rank4 to 5 i kept using do217k/m. they re the most succesful in my book. nothing can beat the might of 4x1000kg. sometimes i got 2 kills with one sortie sometimes i got 8. doesnt matter for me tbh. its more than what i could with cannons. tbh not only me but i dont see anyone gets 8 kills with german cannons.

other than that ar234 is a nice bomber, other nations sometimes having hard time to catch it when it returns to airfield.

[TheNorthernKnight]

The HS-129 was designed from the ground up as a dedicated ground attack aircraft, not to mention the Stuka. I would recommend practising your bomb precision and to stop wanting alt historical aircraft to be added to Germany, as no Su-6 was ever captured afaik.

[Jared]

Ah you see, I am extremely precise with my bombing skills with the BF/ME-109 and the FW-190. What I am requesting is for Middle BR German CAS, not Night fighters or fighters themselves. The AD-2 and AD-4 are strike aircraft at heart, the ME/BF-109 and FW-190 are not. The HE-219 isnt either, its a Night fighter and thats why it includes the radar system.

[Jared]

Originally posted by redned:

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

You see, I'm stating the fact that we need designated C.A.S. aircraft. Firstly, the JU-188 and JU-288 are large and easily destroy able by AA fire, not to mention they arent C.A.S. aircraft. Secondly, the ME-410 was mentioned up there if you'd read faster than you can type. Thirdly, the DO-335 only has large pen abilities with the Armored Target Belts for the MK-108s, but they perform like HVAPs, great penetration with low post penetration. Forthly, I also said the HE-219 if you'd kindly reread my post.

so you just want something that can be called CAS even though you've just been given a list of very capable aircraft that can be used as CAS.

Yes they are capable, but they arent up to the standards of allied strike aircraft. The JU-188 is a fighter bomber including the Schrage Musik cannons. The JU-288 is a bomber for bases and airfiields, not exactly suited for AT bombing, im not saying that it cant be used for it, im saying that the JU-288, JU-188, and the HE-219 really arent meant for AT. But they can be used for it none the less. Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AU-1 can carry a B-17's bomb load with one engine, tell me a german fighter that can carry that much ordnance. Im pointing out an imbalance between the countries. Especially the US vs German C.A.S.

[Jared]

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

Originally posted by redned:

so you just want something that can be called CAS even though you've just been given a list of very capable aircraft that can be used as CAS.

Yes they are capable, but they arent up to the standards of allied strike aircraft. The JU-188 is a fighter bomber including the Schrage Musik cannons. The JU-288 is a bomber for bases and airfiields, not exactly suited for AT bombing, im not saying that it cant be used for it, im saying that the JU-288, JU-188, and the HE-219 really arent meant for AT. But they can be used for it none the less. Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AU-1 can carry a B-17's bomb load with one engine, tell me a german fighter that can carry that much ordnance. Im pointing out an imbalance between the countries. Especially the US vs German C.A.S.

On my AU-1 rant, give me a one engined german fighter that can carry that much ordnance

[CH13F]

Originally posted by redned:

Originally posted by CH13F:

between rank4 to 5 i kept using do217k/m. they re the most succesful in my book. nothing can beat the might of 4x1000kg. sometimes i got 2 kills with one sortie sometimes i got 8. doesnt matter for me tbh. its more than what i could with cannons.

but bro it's too big so you can't call it CAS so germany needs CAS.
pretty much OP's argument.

i can call it CAS because i use it as dive bomber. it might not give fruit all the time but like i said its much more useful than other available planes for me. namely do335s,ta152s

dont get me wrong, i just pointing out people focusing wrong planes at this br. i also agree germany can use a single engine plane with good payload, equivelant to american and british counterparts.just like am1 ad2-4 seafury su6 IL10

atm all job is done by do217s , ju288c, ar234. all these are twin engines. they get the job done but their agility are questionable.

[TheNorthernKnight]

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

Ah you see, I am extremely precise with my bombing skills with the BF/ME-109 and the FW-190. What I am requesting is for Middle BR German CAS, not Night fighters or fighters themselves. The AD-2 and AD-4 are strike aircraft at heart, the ME/BF-109 and FW-190 are not. The HE-219 isnt either, its a Night fighter and thats why it includes the radar system.

You seem to be confusing what a strike aircraft is and what strike aircraft Germany has available to them. The Fw 190F-8 for instance is an strike variant of the Fw 190, so it is by definition an attack aircraft. Looking further you have the Stuka and HS-129 being both dedicated purpose built ground support aircraft. Additionally you have the Me 410 and Bf 110 both being heavy fighters well suited (and modified) to ground attack.

[TheNorthernKnight]

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

Yes they are capable, but they arent up to the standards of allied strike aircraft. The JU-188 is a fighter bomber including the Schrage Musik cannons. The JU-288 is a bomber for bases and airfiields, not exactly suited for AT bombing, im not saying that it cant be used for it, im saying that the JU-288, JU-188, and the HE-219 really arent meant for AT. But they can be used for it none the less. Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AU-1 can carry a B-17's bomb load with one engine, tell me a german fighter that can carry that much ordnance. Im pointing out an imbalance between the countries. Especially the US vs German C.A.S.

On my AU-1 rant, give me a one engined german fighter that can carry that much ordnance

no such aircraft ever existed

[Bombelos]

Another one of those threads - "germany suffers".
Germany has the best tech trees in the entire game, stop crying so much.

[Groucho]

Ye Italy too has no adeguate CAS at those BRs, can we please get an A-10 for cas gaijin?

Also you want the Leo2A7 as reserve tank?

[Jared]

Originally posted by TheNorthernKnight:

Originally posted by 4B-39 J. Gatsby:

On my AU-1 rant, give me a one engined german fighter that can carry that much ordnance

no such aircraft ever existed

The AU-1 was an experimental aircraft but it is still in War Thunder being able to carry as much as a B-17