The Grind. Too Easy, Just Right, or Too Hard?

[Mania]

Before I say anything. Let's say you want to get the Stryker and you have an XM-1 and you're absolutely godly without a premium account and average about 4,000 RP a game. Games typically last about 10-15 minutes. For simplicity sake, let's go with 15 since they usually end with a drainage of tickets via capture points.

To complete the Stryker line alone, you'd need 753,000 RP. 753,00 divided by 4,000 is 188.25. That means you need to play 188 matches. 188 times 15 = 2823 minutes, make that into hours and that's 47 straight hours of game play.

This is simple math, it doesn't account for the fact you get bored, will spend money, won't have time, the fact your assigned teams could, on average be ass, resulting in less RP, the fact you get up tiered A LOT, and that you might need to grind out another line to some extent before you can progress with the main line you want to grind. With these factors, it could take multiple days straight of game play to max out one line.

To me, this is absolutely absurd and it's clearly a marketing technique employed by Gaijin with the convertible RP. "Hey, you want that tank? Spend some money on that few million RP you have saved up and buy it right now." And then release more modern tanks which makes players who aren't high tier start drooling, and just quit the game after giving up because of how insane it is to complete one line. In my opinion ALL convertible RP should go to base RP. If not, half or more. Either that or significantly boost the amount of RP you get, both premium and none premium.

[BEEP!]

That's why most people stop at RankIV few reach RankV
PS. I'm talking about Tank's that's the only game mode I play and I grind'ed all of US and USSR as a F2P player so yea

[Mania]

Originally posted by Anonymous:

That's why most people stop at RankIV few reach RankV
PS. I'm talking about Tank's that's the only game mode I play and I grind'ed all of US and USSR as a F2P player so yea

Respect I've been so on and off because I just get random bursts of motivation that end after getting spawn peeked from across the map

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Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Originally posted by Anonymous:

That's why most people stop at RankIV few reach RankV
PS. I'm talking about Tank's that's the only game mode I play and I grind'ed all of US and USSR as a F2P player so yea

Respect I've been so on and off because I just get random bursts of motivation that end after getting spawn peeked from across the map

I can't play more than a couple game's now because it's a massive turn off when you have a match with US USSR Germany are on the same team so yea the only reason I played RB is because of the realism I don't like being a Brit and see a Tiger2 on my team lol

[neldot]

Originally posted by Anonymous:

That's why most people stop at RankIV few reach RankV
PS. I'm talking about Tank's that's the only game mode I play and I grind'ed all of US and USSR as a F2P player so yea

For planes is more or less the same. A few people like jets, but the fun for most people is below Tier V, with the props.

[76561198315424152]

Made a post here that got an unexpected number of highlights.. hope the devs see it (i know but maybe, right) and considers, cause i really think it would be good business for them and make a better game. who knows, cause it makes sense & is good for all sides, or what do you think. Nothing new to those that seen me write here for a while... (page1 post #14)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/236390/eventcomments/3106892784340097894/

Rank i-iii is fine i think in rp requirements. Third rank is a bit slow but in an entertaining way where u feel you make some progress still. Even without premium you get there on a tree with some work.

up to iv is okish if u got some premium stuff & account. Modules takes long there...& It's just too steep after that point for most.



To answer the question...(air)

Rank 1: almost too easy & modules goes too quick actually
Rank 2: good tempo of vehicles & modules
Rank 3 decent
Rank 4 tough, bit too much but doable with some dedication and premium stuff
Early rank v: too slow. modules way too slow for my taste...
late rank v: ...
Rank vi: wtf.

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Anonymous:

Originally posted by ToXiC bAnDiT mAiN:

Respect I've been so on and off because I just get random bursts of motivation that end after getting spawn peeked from across the map

I can't play more than a couple game's now because it's a massive turn off when you have a match with US USSR Germany are on the same team so yea the only reason I played RB is because of the realism I don't like being a Brit and see a Tiger2 on my team lol

Its odd they mixed the teams in rb,

The variety is nice in my opinion but i know its not very appreciated in the rb only players. Id prefer non mixed too for the most part if honest. If lines are a problem (or idk why they did it)

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why not have it mixed only for times with few players (less than 40k) online or something, or switching after 5minutes in line.



Top tier jets may be better off mixed until planes find their proper brs...idk.

[Fritou]

It's not about difficulty but more like how it's long and boring after a point

[Mania]

Another thing to note: The demand for high tier vehicles is so high that it's basically driving an illegal market of accounts, if Gaijin wants people to stop selling their accounts, make it easier to get to the vehicles people want in the first place

[Jaes]

I think the grind is almost just right. They just need to halve the cost of Tier VI and VII vehicles in both RP and SL. Either that, or they need to increase the modifier payouts for Tier VI and VII vehicles, which are known to be quite low.

If Gaijin did that, it would be perfect.

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Jaes:

I think the grind is almost just right. They just need to halve the cost of Tier VI and VII vehicles in both RP and SL. Either that, or they need to increase the modifier payouts for Tier VI and VII vehicles, which are known to be quite low.

If Gaijin did that, it would be perfect.

That's still 200k rp for one vehicle, 24euro to skip+ few k eagles for modules on top. Too much & too long grind to be good for business and what we players think about it (who do write reviews, may or may not mention wt to friends, and considers what actually is worth dropping some money on once in a while)


This is how i'd do it...set reqs to max around 100k rp for top vehicles at rank v-vi-vii... up to 125k for the absolute last & latest top rank stuff.

25euro (12.5 euro on discount) absolute max price for top/second top tier premium vehicles. I'm sure they'd earn more money that way, dont you think? Theyre selling products of long work, but in the end they its only data, no further production cost. Just money in the bank. (Read the post in the thread i linked if you want to see how i reason.. to the best of my discernment it would increase sales a lot & looks like a win/win to me.)

[X_THIS]

Its all about money!!!!!!

[↯Zindy⛦]

It seems mostly okay. I have put in a good 7 year or so of effort but have grinded into tier 6 tanks and tier 5 tanks and planes in 5 nations. Yeah the challenge to get to that point was high but it is worth it. I would be lying if I said it didn’t make me a slightly better player playing those tech trees without premium, without any talismans, without buying boosters from the store etc. even though I do own those things and if I consolidated my time with those premiums more I would own tier 7’s in at least 2 of those by now. And I own no premiums above rank 4.

This is why I was angry ever since gaijin added tier 5-6 premiums into the game. It makes the grind stupid easy to get to tier 7 in no time and I see many who used that one premium to skip their way into a type 90 or Abrams without playing anything below!!! We don’t need wallet warriors at top tier, I want to see more players actually play the game and are competent at top tier because it is not some fun bouncy shell playground like the previous tiers. Premium vehicles rank 4 and below are fine but anything above that is all about power creep and money.

That said RP and overall SL for vehicles tier 5+ need to be lowered as to decentivize people to buy their way up. But this is counterproductive to gaijin.

[NapoleonBornToParty]

few youtuber like spookstoon and (i think) napalm stated, with 1500+ vehicles and 280K-390K RP for top tier is too much grind.
like for real (UNLESS you buy some premium vehicle/account or you're a jobless person) it'll took years to play BR 10.7

[76561198315424152]

Originally posted by Zindai:

It seems mostly okay. I have put in a good 7 year or so of effort but have grinded into tier 6 tanks and tier 5 tanks and planes in 5 nations. Yeah the challenge to get to that point was high but it is worth it. I would be lying if I said it didn’t make me a slightly better player playing those tech trees without premium, without any talismans, without buying boosters from the store etc. even though I do own those things and if I consolidated my time with those premiums more I would own tier 7’s in at least 2 of those by now. And I own no premiums above rank 4.

This is why I was angry ever since gaijin added tier 5-6 premiums into the game. It makes the grind stupid easy to get to tier 7 in no time and I see many who used that one premium to skip their way into a type 90 or Abrams without playing anything below!!! We don’t need wallet warriors at top tier, I want to see more players actually play the game and are competent at top tier because it is not some fun bouncy shell playground like the previous tiers. Premium vehicles rank 4 and below are fine but anything above that is all about power creep and money.

For a new player looking at your post... oh just 7 years...?

challenge still high to get to that point...?

still no top tier stuff... and likely not a lot of spaded rank 5-6. Hmmm (But bUy preMium and gEt the same stuFf in only 3.5 yEars of playiNg..)


Yeah... not very appealing, thats a heck of a commitment for any game.

Originally posted by X_THIS:

Its all about money!!!!!!

Then why make pixels & data seem so unpriceworthy. (The up to rank iii stuff is mostly ok, crew slots too, and discounted premium account)

50euro dlcs with a puny 2k eagles that lets be honest, is very low. Eagles are nice but 2k also gets you nowhere.

Should be 2-300eagles with every euro worth of full price dlc, few nice decals included, as well as keep the few day premium acc.

50 is too much, and should easily be cut in half on full price. (12.5 on discount) That would make them more worth buying. If it was up to me and i wanted to make money of dlc packs, i'd change to that.

50euro packs look like the price of something that would include a 1:20 sized realistic model of the vehicle sent to your door. {LINK REMOVED}https://www.google.com/search?q=1%3A20+plane+model&oq=1%3A20+plane+model&aqs=chrome..69i57.6828j0j7&client=ms-android-huawei&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#scso=_5iRGYLqfEZTrxgPGzoWAAw10:0

And of course 50 euro is like often pointed out more than what gives you a top quality game. Dirt 2.0 is at a 5 (five) euro sale today/last weekend for example to compare.


The beginner packs are completely without premium currency etc. 5 euro full price dlc: put 500 eagles in there at the very least.


🛩If they want a lot more money coming in.. it's very easy. For example:

Dlcs for 1-2 euro each including 6-12, up to 30 decals @2.5 euro.

Nice pinups, good jaws, eyes, lines, skins, accerories, golden crowns, wings, or other random good looking stuff.... id buy some decal packs if they were good & cheap.

Add 20 packs like that and its easy money in the bank with zero p2w. Decal packs would be super simple for them to make too.

Dlc with aerobatic smoke/tricolor for 2.5-5 euro discount/full price








How they used to do it: if u look up old packs on youtube... prices were both lower and much more generous. 10000 eagles, 3 vehicles in a pack that today get u like one vehicle with no eagles at all. Or half of a rank iv-v full price vehicle... Looks so..uh...

What happened...





Edit: i know im out of line a slight bit talking about how they should run their business but i think their current model can be optimized for the sake of both sides.

[↯Zindy⛦]

Yes gaijin make my grind to tier 7 cost me max 10 days because I am a noob and have no understanding of the game mechanics or how vehicles work.

You can buy a tier 6 premium tank with premium and get to tier 7 in 600 or so battles if you’re bad or as OP said you play only 188 battles if you’re good. 600 battles in retrospect isn’t that long at all especially what OP doesn’t mention is that 15 min is not normal grind time. The best way to grind is to rush and when u die you immediately go into the next match and repeat, which is exactly what people are doing with these high tier premiums. If you stay dedicated 600 battles can easily be achieved within 1-3 months.