Why do people complain about CAS so much

[Kettenkrad]

Personally, I have rarely been killed by CAS, even playing the Maus, and I've been playing that often, out of my 2000 hours on war thunder, I have only been killed by CAS about 15-40 times.

I am very aggressive and push with basically every tank so that might be something not to mention, mostly get cas bombed when I still still like a duck.

Not to mention most of the people I kill with CAS sit still.

Based on my experience, to me it mostly seems like people who sit back, snipe, or stay still mostly gets CAS bombed and complain

Would this be true or am I somehow being so lucky and not getting targeted.

[SteelWolf45]

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muzzle flash is actually the biggest give away, though I'd imagine you wouldn't know how to CAS, you just complain about it.


revenge bombing is not the best way to go when playing CAS.
you're better off looking at score card, seeing who's doing the most work for the enemy and hunting them down.
killing fresh spawns before they can earn more spawn points, in the hopes you knock them out of the match.
last is just being helpful and spotting for team, letting them know where enemy is which caps they can push and what caps are being pushed.

doing all this will win a game, revenge bombers will not.
there's no way to get rid of the revenge bomber without getting rid of actual CAS players.
so I'm happy to leave them do them.
just so I can see more people rage about CAS that will never be removed from this game.

Bold of you to assume I've not played CAS, and so your entire argument falls through at the first hurdle. After getting sick of being bombed by CAS I decided to play a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of it to see just how difficult it actually is. It's not and your muzzle flash excuse is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the easiest thing to spot was moving vehicles. Is it moving? Yes. Does it have a blue name above it? No. Well ♥♥♥♥ I guess that's an enemy vehicle. If you're looking at a canvas and everything is stationary except some black squares moving around, you're eye is going to be drawn to it.
People complain about CAS because it's rollfaceonkeyboard easy. It is solely reliant on the person playing CAS to ♥♥♥♥ up. The person playing tanks just has to pray that they are ♥♥♥♥ or that they choose someone else to attack for the most part. It's poor game design.

SPAA and friendly fighters are a thing...

[Casino Knight]

Best solution is still to add a tank only mode. The people who abuse CAS can all enjoy fighting each other in the existing mode, or quitting immediately if they don't get enough points to spawn before dying, and the people who want to play tanks without being afkbombed with virtually no counterplay can enjoy their own mode.
Won't ever happen though since CAS abusers will cry about it as they already do when tank only gets brought up. They just want easy targets and know that if tank only gets added their queue times are going to drastically increase.

[Casino Knight]

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Bold of you to assume I've not played CAS, and so your entire argument falls through at the first hurdle. After getting sick of being bombed by CAS I decided to play a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of it to see just how difficult it actually is. It's not and your muzzle flash excuse is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the easiest thing to spot was moving vehicles. Is it moving? Yes. Does it have a blue name above it? No. Well ♥♥♥♥ I guess that's an enemy vehicle. If you're looking at a canvas and everything is stationary except some black squares moving around, you're eye is going to be drawn to it.
People complain about CAS because it's rollfaceonkeyboard easy. It is solely reliant on the person playing CAS to ♥♥♥♥ up. The person playing tanks just has to pray that they are ♥♥♥♥ or that they choose someone else to attack for the most part. It's poor game design.

SPAA and friendly fighters are a thing...

JuSt SpAa BrO. So you're saying that in order to play tanks, I need to not play tanks and instead play SPAA or play air instead. So what you're saying is that air is totally uninteractive for tanks and is bad game design. God forbid you don't want to be forced into playing SPAA or becoming part of the problem and playing air.
Bonus point: How many SPAA vehicles do you take into the game? Probably not more than one if any I'm assuming. All you need is for one suicidal CAS to bumrush you and there's a good chance despite 'destroying' him he'll still kill you due to them being allowed to drop bombs and fire after being 'destroyed'. Add in the fact that most SPAA are open topped and paper thin and this isn't uncommon in the slightest, even worse if multiple enemy aircraft spawn at the same time. So what then? Well I guess you'll have to rely on your teammates, which rarely works out. Most people don't enjoy playing SPAA and so won't, and lots of people that do don't use them against aircraft because stupidly they're more effective against ground.

[Casino Knight]

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Bold of you to assume I've not played CAS, and so your entire argument falls through at the first hurdle. After getting sick of being bombed by CAS I decided to play a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of it to see just how difficult it actually is. It's not and your muzzle flash excuse is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the easiest thing to spot was moving vehicles. Is it moving? Yes. Does it have a blue name above it? No. Well ♥♥♥♥ I guess that's an enemy vehicle. If you're looking at a canvas and everything is stationary except some black squares moving around, you're eye is going to be drawn to it.
People complain about CAS because it's rollfaceonkeyboard easy. It is solely reliant on the person playing CAS to ♥♥♥♥ up. The person playing tanks just has to pray that they are ♥♥♥♥ or that they choose someone else to attack for the most part. It's poor game design.

so you complain about the very thing you use yourself.

you can see muzzle flash before tanks render genius, you can also see it through trees, around buildings and terrain.

yes you will see a moving vehicle when you are already over the battle field. but any good CAS player will know to look for muzzle flash before they even get there.

Correct I used it, because it's apparent that gaijin isn't changing anything. I figure if I abuse it too I'll annoy some other people into also bringing up how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it is for people wanting to play tanks. If you can't beat them join them right?

[Casino Knight]

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Best solution is still to add a tank only mode. The people who abuse CAS can all enjoy fighting each other in the existing mode, or quitting immediately if they don't get enough points to spawn before dying, and the people who want to play tanks without being afkbombed with virtually no counterplay can enjoy their own mode.
Won't ever happen though since CAS abusers will cry about it as they already do when tank only gets brought up. They just want easy targets and know that if tank only gets added their queue times are going to drastically increase.

lol tank only mode nice one.
I thought you were just wanting CAS to be nerfed or something.
but yeah keep dreaming.

CAS in ground is a good way to get people who otherwise have no interest in planes to fly planes.
it worked for me and it works for many others.
you not getting a tank only mode has nothing to do with people wanting it to stay mixed.

it's about the money for gaijin, the more modes they can get you to play the more money they can make from you.

Then why on the various forums that war thunder is discussed on do people who admit to abusing CAS so vehemently argue against tank only? You can't surely expect me to believe you're only arguing against it because you're afraid gaijin will lose money, I don't believe that for a split second.
Only thing you're right about is that the only reason they won't add it is because they get more money milking people from the mixed mode that exists, because people like me who get fed up being farmed by CAS will then pick up CAS themselves to abuse it. No doubt there's no small amount of people who will happily throw money at premium aircraft or similar.

[Casino Knight]

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Correct I used it, because it's apparent that gaijin isn't changing anything. I figure if I abuse it too I'll annoy some other people into also bringing up how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it is for people wanting to play tanks. If you can't beat them join them right?

yes and everyone eventually joins so it's not an unfair part of the game.
it's just how the game is meant to be played.

it's like playing CS:GO and complaining people are shooting you while you are just running around with a knife.

gun is plane and knife is tank in this analogy.
just play everything and don't complain about the part of the game you don't want to play.

otherwise this is just not the game for you.

Just because everyone starts playing CAS to abuse it also doesn't mean it isn't any less unfair lol. What even is this statement? I guess we should just stop any form of balancing in this game from now on, since anybody will be able to use and abuse whatever ends up being the next broken thing that comes along. I mean hey, everybody can use and and everybody can join in so it's totally fair and how the game is meant to be played.
Absurdist statement.

[Casino Knight]

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Then why on the various forums that war thunder is discussed on do people who admit to abusing CAS so vehemently argue against tank only? You can't surely expect me to believe you're only arguing against it because you're afraid gaijin will lose money, I don't believe that for a split second.
Only thing you're right about is that the only reason they won't add it is because they get more money milking people from the mixed mode that exists, because people like me who get fed up being farmed by CAS will then pick up CAS themselves to abuse it. No doubt there's no small amount of people who will happily throw money at premium aircraft or similar.

no people argue against it not only cause it's a bad business move for gaijin but it's just a pointless one.

it's just another game mode gaijin will have to balance and yes they will need to re balance the entire mode once planes are removed since stats will change a lot.

queue times will be bad for both modes, at least until people realise that CAS is a good way to make SL and move back to the regular mode.

I love the queue time argument, I don't think I've ever had a queue last more than a couple of seconds. There's so many stupid memes floating around about people not even being able to cancel matchmaking because it finds a game so fast and yet people still say 'muh queue times'. I'd gladly wait longer for a game without CAS. Why don't they just implement it and then we can really see how it effects queue times and remove all speculation and guess work.
It clearly isn't pointless since there are lots of people that have been asking for this mode for a very long time now. Also, again I do not believe for one second that people are genuinely against this because they want gaijin to make even more money. Considering the amount of ♥♥♥♥ gaijin gets for all the ways it already has in the game to try and milk money out of players. I frankly don't believe you for a second on this.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

It`s just that every time you feel like you can actually have some fun in the game and accomplish something by overplaying another tank with yours you will get revengebombed or kamikazed by some punk in a plane or deleted by heli against what you have basically zero defense when there are no tall structures around or you get strafed and marked just before you get a drop on someone who was not aware of you etc. etc. etc.
CAS are the killers of fun in this game.

Not to mention the obvious snowball effect of already losing team pounded into the ground by ever increasing number of CAS without any chance to effectively rebound.

[Casino Knight]

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It`s just that every time you feel like you can actually have some fun in the game and accomplish something by overplaying another tank with yours you will get revengebombed or kamikazed by some punk in a plane or deleted by heli against what you have basically zero defense when there are no tall structures around or you get strafed and marked just before you get a drop on someone who was not aware of you etc. etc. etc.
CAS are the killers of fun in this game.

You're not allowed to have fun, only CAS is allowed to have fun.

[hi_1002]

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You're not allowed to have fun, only CAS is allowed to have fun.

no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

So you aren't allowed to enjoy tanks unless you enjoy aircraft? The highest I have reached on air is 2.7 compared to 7.3 ground. I'm not wasting my time grinding two trees at once.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

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You're not allowed to have fun, only CAS is allowed to have fun.

no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

And yet you can play just planes without a problem...

[Casino Knight]

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You're not allowed to have fun, only CAS is allowed to have fun.

no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

Hot take: Not everyone likes, wants or is interested in playing air. So if someone wants to play ground then it's fine to have it ruined by air being easily abusable because they can also easily abuse air? They don't want to play air though because aforementioned. Air is having fun though, because they're in the power position in the dynamic between air and ground. So the only ones having fun here are those that are playing air and enjoy playing air.

[Casino Knight]

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no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

And yet you can play just planes without a problem...

They don't want to play air RB though, because they don't get the ego boost and satisfaction of picking on actual people that can't do anything playing the ground targets. That's the truth of it despite whatever else they may try to make it out to be.

[Casino Knight]

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no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

So you aren't allowed to enjoy tanks unless you enjoy aircraft? The highest I have reached on air is 2.7 compared to 7.3 ground. I'm not wasting my time grinding two trees at once.

That is indeed what they are saying.

[Harry Nurpplez]

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no no you got it all wrong people that actually play the game have fun.
while people that restrict themselves to only tanks suffer.

it's that simple play the game to it's entirety or don't and suffer.

What an incorrect way of thinking.