Team mate SPAA's

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Just ranting...

Why do you insist on ignoring the fact that there are 6 enemy planes in the sky? Why do you insist on shooting at a heavy tank which you can't pen from the front, that is 1.8km away?

I am honestly becoming increasingly frustrated with how useless the majority of my SPAA team mates are. I always try and steer clear of blaming anyone but myself unless I am clueless on the situation, but this is becoming a joke now and it's most definitely not my fault.

I've tried using the radio commands to ask for back up, I've tried shooting at them to get them to at least look up at the sky. I even regularly type "enemy plane" when I see one, to at least alert the SPAA's, but hardly any of them attempt to shoot the planes, even though I bring them down low and fly over my spawn and captured points.

These aren't 'new' players either, I'm looking at the player card of some of them and hardly any of them are below level 60. And when I call them out on it? "l2p noob" "gitgud" "shut up noob" etc...

[Tomoko]

this is why gaijin should have made spaa striclty into spaa and not pseudo tank destroyers...

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Originally posted by Tomoko:

this is why gaijin should have made spaa striclty into spaa and not pseudo tank destroyers...

You are right with that. I constantly get kills against tanks with my Falcon for example. It's totally over powered and it really doesn't need 110mm pen...

[UCEY]

When a SPAA shoots my tank, I'm torn apart. When my SPAA shoots an enemy tank, I might as well be throwing rocks at them. SPAA should be restricted to simulator battles and their bullets should only really penetrate plane and armored car armor

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

my kugelblitz is an anti tank, if there are planes up i will shoot at them when i have a guaranteed shot at killing them else risking my position.

[Stridswombat]

The problem I feel is that it's a combination of being too hard to hit planes (especially with higher calibers), too easy for planes to turn around and kill you instead and not enough incentive to actually down them. Maybe if they upped the rewards for downing planes it would help. I'm not sure how you'd solve the problem of planes strafing SPAAG's to death so easily though.

[CH13F]

Originally posted by Bread:

When a SPAA shoots my tank, I'm torn apart. When my SPAA shoots an enemy tank, I might as well be throwing rocks at them. SPAA should be restricted to simulator battles and their bullets should only really penetrate plane and armored car armor

im reading correct right? you suggested removing spaas from ground rb? how im gonna kill planes then. oh maybe since we started,we should rename ground forces to "airbois feeding ground". gee...

also i want to point out something radar lock on works in a weird way. even close range lock on square at least 100 meters under the target. so yes gun spaas with radar cant really effectively use their selling point. i myself have to use manually. and since guns so inaccurate,the sweet spot is around 1km. beyond that mostly waste of ammo. talking about ammo, that absurd reload rate.... not only you need to move to flag to reload, you also gotta sit there for 2mins for single belt of 600x35mm ammo to reload, meanwhile a plane can fully repair/reload in 20secs. go figure it out.

[Stridswombat]

How the ♥♥♥♥ do you jump the conclusion that he's telling you to remove SPAAG's when he's saying to limit them to being... Literal SPAAG's. Like wtf.

[CH13F]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

How the ♥♥♥♥ do you jump the conclusion that he's telling you to remove SPAAG's when he's saying to limit them to being... Literal SPAAG's. Like wtf.

how you gonna restrict something without removing it, restrict or remove doesnt matter, im aganist it. first radar,reload and effective range should be fixed, i explained my reasoning one above post, edited. sure go ahead and reduce pen values of shells, so it only d be effective aganist air targets but yes im aganist limiting or removing spaas.

[Stridswombat]

What? He's just talking about limiting the AP ammo. That does literally nothing to impact their performance against planes. And I agree with that for the record. They shouldn't be running around with APCR outpenetrating some tank guns.

[CH13F]

its already limited, single belt of 40 rounds of apds for most oerlikons.if you lucky you might get 1 or 2 kills with it. shilka and tunguska dont even have access to apds rounds.

look i agree about that some spaas really tank serial killers, no objections, ex: falcon. hell i even got 12-13 kills with it once. so i got no problem with reducing pen values of anti air belts for around 20 to 30mms so side armors of tanks cant be pierced so easily.

but still there s 1 problem remaning after that, how we actually grind spaa mods and crews, it already usually takes longer to farm with spaa. (if you only doing anti air duty like i do) i mean no penetration no damage, no damage no score, no score no rp. you cant just rely on air targets because a: you dont know when they gonna spawn or how many. b : like i said, weirdly semi working radar and limited effective range.

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

How the ♥♥♥♥ do you jump the conclusion that he's telling you to remove SPAAG's when he's saying to limit them to being... Literal SPAAG's. Like wtf.

he said restrict spaas to sim battles. that literally means removing them from ground AB and RB. he said that AND the ammo should be restricted to low pen. aka hes telling us to remove spaas from the mode that 90% of people play.

[E-Man720]

Multiple aircraft kills barely cover the repair cost of most, and things like the R3 T20 only compound the issue.

[Nunn]

I think this type of issue is better fixed with reward rather then punishment, give AA players more rewards for doing AA things and they will do so.

[Charcharodonto]

making AA weak vs tanks just means even less people will take AA

Shooting planes is hard enough with most open top AA without dying

[\Forever Alone/]

Personally war thunder needs to invest proper SPAA system in game. Like radar time spaa had great ability maintain aim in planes and had system what told where to aim. Now its so darn poor so i don´t blame SPaa not trying to kill planes. I know ww2 ones were luck based. But now were going modern day. There needs to be system keep track and lot more.