War Thunder needs rank system.

[Oguxhan #5]

Team balance are suck.

[KokkoJustus]

How would you Even to about doing that?

Vehicles in different ranks play so differently it wouldnt really be possible to fairly rank people

[9imperator8]

War thunder is not so competitive game that it would even need a rank system. It just isn't made to be any esport-like game.
It is true that sometimes teams are unbalanced, but then again maybe you will learn something and get better at the game.

[Suthirak_D42]

You post wrong place.
This forum is full of stupid that don't know how to balance both skill and BR.

They can collect our stats like participate percent, but devs do nothing with them.
Devs only do what they want. They just update sound and nuke but not fix what players want.

[BeachRail(M6)]

yeah vehicles should only be able to fight ones in the same rank as it

[BeachRail(M6)]

the BR is a little to wonky for my taste

[Canadian Guitar]

Ultramaxumas の投稿を引用：

yeah vehicles should only be able to fight ones in the same rank as it

Ultramaxumas の投稿を引用：

the BR is a little to wonky for my taste

Rank and BR are two completely different things

[EDSmike74]

At this moment nothing goes ,You Play VS ( Br Rb ) Uptier , Uptier, Uptier , Uptier.
This game does not make you want to play anymore.

[Mr.Fish]

Suthirak_D42 の投稿を引用：

You post wrong place.
This forum is full of stupid that don't know how to balance both skill and BR.

They can collect our stats like participate percent, but devs do nothing with them.
Devs only do what they want. They just update sound and nuke but not fix what players want.

Thinking that a ranking system would work in a game with this many variables, is actually the stupid bit.

How much data you are capable of collecting is irrelevant to the issue, the issue would be that every player would require an individual rank in every nation, for every vehicle, at every BR, for every game mode...

Each player would end up with 100s of different rankings, what would be the point in all this complication?

The game is not designed to be a perfectly balanced ranked competitive arena, it has nothing in common with games that have ranking systems.

[AquaticusAmeba]

Nope worst idea ever, and those ranks...it tell you nothing only how long person play in game, i got 74 and sometime i win some time or loose, and if someone start play and complain on beginng ....they have no idea what waiting on higher BR xDDD

[xeon_mlt]

The game has 2 main "ranks":
- The player rank, which usually shows you how much time the player has wasted on the game.
- The vehicle rank, which is used by Gaijin to break balance and sell premium vehicles.

The issue is that this game punishes you for moving up the chain, so a lot of experience players hang around mid-low BR's, where the game is more fun. This however, impacts players that are new to the game since they need to learn things fast in order to survive.

So when you get put in a team, you basically get put into a group of people which have vehicles in the same BR as you. From what I understand, if you play well, the odds that you are uptiered increase, however, this doesn't really do anything about which players you get put with.

[Col. Cornbread]

Skill balance and a vehicle balance system..

Kind of getting tired of the Naval battles where the enemy will get 6 BBs and we get 1.

[Root]

The first problem is that unfair matches aren't considered bad by all players. Consider in NCAA division 1 football, every season some of the games will be played against schools that may have fewer students then the big team has employees in their program. That's not fair, but the small school gets paid for losing and the big school gets a by week.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2216604401

For most of those players, it's unfair to go against someone who may have the ability to hit targets over 100 yards, target on the move, know the weakspots of each vehicle, optimize their vehicle to their play style.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2499539214

Thing is, those players with skills will give War Thunder money. They get the game they paid for. The rest of us, we aren't Gaijin's customers, we're part of their product. So, are unfair matches a problem. Only if it lowers the amount of money Gaijin gets, and if it were to affect queue times, yes, that might deter the whales from buying the new tank. I'm not so sure that bad players leaving is considered a negative thing by War Thunder.

If it is a problem, that would mean interfering with good players' games. Such as constant downtiering or silently placing on low skill teams. I believe these bad matches are not an unintended consequence of the game, I think they are a design decision.

[rb303]

Gaijin would never do it for one simple reason:
Waiting times.

Waiting times can already be a little too long in higher tiers, splitting players into categories for how good they are at the game, while it would be a nice feature, would drastically increase said waiting times.

[Root]

rb303 の投稿を引用：

Gaijin would never do it for one simple reason:
Waiting times.

Waiting times can already be a little too long in higher tiers, splitting players into categories for how good they are at the game, while it would be a nice feature, would drastically increase said waiting times.

There are techniques that can be done to essentially add an ELO to each player, that wouldn't affect queue times. First define what is a skill and quantify that to an average. Say number of kills, accuracy of fire, win rate, or score total. The two best players in the match get placed on opposing teams, do this for the top 10 in the match, then divide out remaining players to average skill. Essentially, the rest of the team becomes an anchor to the good players.

Other choices include uptiering the good players, or you can downtier bad players. Call it a BR modifier to your match making BR. Top vehicle in lineup is 3.3, but your hit rate past 100 yards, then your BR is 2.7. Top vehicle is 4.7, but you can't identify targets in RB unless they are in the open, your BR is 3.7.

This would be hated by skill players though. The best matchmaking I ever saw was in Overwatch, and the high skilled players complained that the game was built to keep them at a 50% win rate.

[hsf_]

Most people harp on about queue times like it will be the death of the game, but that's because they're thinking far too intricately about how to do a skill based match making system.

For example most people think about having 10-15 skill brackets which simply wouldn't work, you need at least 500,000 players for that to work with 'reasonable' queue times. You could reduce the brackets to 5 or even just 3, then have separate rankings BR brackets(like 1.0-4.0, 4.3-6.0, 6.3-8.3 and 8.7+)

Queue times wouldn't be shafted, games would be more competitive and you would have more accurate BR data going back to gaijin.

I honestly don't see a problem with this.