Silver lions have tipped over the edge

[rigolgm]

I never moan about War Thunder and I've always defended silver lions.

But something's changed!

I'm continuing to play my 8.7 and 8.0 USA ground forces (RB) lineups as usual, and getting better than 1-1 kill-death ratios .... but my silver lions are now going DOWN not UP!

The economy updates don't seem to suggest huge increases in repair costs. Something must surely have worsened, though.

The game has finally done it. It's scr*wing me. I can no longer just play my normal game, casually, without the pressure of playing harder or the hassle of running multiple nations (for the free offline repairs over time) etc.

Unimpressed, Gaijin.

[neldot]

We discussed it in a recent thread (but few people have understood how serious is the thing), what have been decreased in one of the last patches are the multipliers.

Many vehicles, despite having the same repair costs, or even slightly lower, now earn significantly less, and so they are unable to earn enough to pay for their repairs, except in very good matches.

[xeon_mlt]

Please do keep in mind that the aim behind this game is to claw as much money as it can out of its player base.
The fact that you're playing higher tiers simply tells Gaijin that you are more likely to fork money, either because:
a) You stuck around and ground your way through, so you're bound to dump some money into the game.
b) You bought premium tanks and avoided the grind, so you're more likely to dump money into the game again.

This is the only game that punishes you for progressing.

[rigolgm]

Messaggio originale di neldot:

We discussed it in a recent thread (but few people have understood how serious is the thing), what have been decreased in one of the last patches are the multipliers.

Many vehicles, despite having the same repair costs, or even slightly lower, now earn significantly less, and so they are unable to earn enough to pay for their repairs, except in very good matches.

Wait a minute. If I'm reading this table correctly, the reward multipliers have got better in loads of cases (including, as it happens, in most of the ones I drive): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQz1PHvpq_cClhIM3eUhCvVmDMbfyQbK3XyWGAR6d1iXFvFGBQimfa3cQ5RYd1-IzgoHtsuaEQM38hl/pubhtml

Is that right? If so, I don't see what's causing me to be suffering now on silver lions. Weird.

[Straven]

Messaggio originale di Mirage:

Wish people would stop defending things because it doesn't affect them personally and then find out the hard way eventually.
There's a reason people have complained about this sort of thing for years.

Reason I quite my very first account shorty after they changed the economy into this style that literally screwed the player base solely to drive people into blowing cash on it.
All that did was make me delete my account and even now years later when I made a new account I still won't spend money on it solely cause of there actions against the player base.

[rigolgm]

Does anyone know why my tanks are suddenly making loads less silver lions? According to the table, my multipliers went up not down. Odd. In my last battle I killed 5 tanks but only earned enough to pay for fewer than 2 single tank repairs.

[2ndhess¿Frames¿]

Considering we got planes in air RB costing about 32k sl to repair, this have been an issue for a while. It's slowly moving towards wargamings style of in-game economy, where you can't break even at higher tiers without having premium and running premium boosters lol.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Yeah I think they finally went over the tipping point, first time in years my lion reserves are actually constantly diminishing. They were usually steadily going up but now they have reduced by 7 million in a last month.
They reduced the earnings of both planes and tanks across all the BR ranges so much that it`s really no longer sustainable when you keep up buying new high tier stuff and crewing spading them. Combine that with constantly raising repair costs, especially in tier 4 and 5 lately and you have perfect storm.
Premium account is now basically less then regular account couple of years ago.
And no I´m not gone wait for a vehicle repair itself for damn week and not ever gone buy your silver lions for real money so if you want to kill this game Gaijin go ahead and try to sell people lions for real money.

[FizzyElf]

The games economy is slowly giving out but its also gotten harder to keep track of, even in games where I get 7 or 8 kills and no deaths at 5.0+ it's only worth a 2k RP and 7k or 8k SL (tiger H1 or E for example) but at lower BR tiers a game with 6 kills nets the same RP and SL. I just had two air arcade battles where in the first I used 2 french reserve planes traded 5 for 2 and no ground kills and got over 1k RP and 2k SL but in a better match with 1.0 Germany I got 7 air, 8 ground, best squad and 3 assists with 4 deaths (totaling around 600 SL in repair cost) and only made 1600sl and 562 RP (30% booster increased the RP a bit in both matches). I understand wanting to make it as nonviable as possible for free players to remain free but at least make the earnings consistently bad. I make most of my money now through the skill matters awards, bringing 1.0 to fight 5.3-6.7 which I can do pretty easily with nations like Germany or USA and I may be able to do it with Sweden pretty soon once I unlock the IKV-91, but it's kinda sad that the most viable and efficient tanks in my 5.0+ rosters are 1.0 armored cars and tankettes.

Though I would like to know what nation and BR Rumpel is playing because that is some serious SL losses there. sorry mate.

[FizzyElf]

Also the examples were SL before awards

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Messaggio originale di FizzyElf:

Though I would like to know what nation and BR Rumpel is playing because that is some serious SL losses there. sorry mate.

All nations except China.
US, GER, RUS, UK, JPN, FRA up to tier 6 lineups, rest up to tier 5.
And no I dont play only high tiers, I play across the board from tier 2 to 6, usually I dont play much tier 1 to not prey on new players.
Losses are not because I would lose money constantly in matches but because I buy new vehicles and make lineups.
It used to be completely sustainable and you could earn as much as you spent with little extra but now it`s just going down down down.
Good matches with plenty of kills earning half what they used to give,

[FizzyElf]

Messaggio originale di Rumpelcrutchskin:

Messaggio originale di FizzyElf:

Though I would like to know what nation and BR Rumpel is playing because that is some serious SL losses there. sorry mate.

All nations except China.
US, GER, RUS, UK, JPN, FRA up to tier 6 lineups, rest up to tier 5.
And no I dont play only high tiers, I play across the board from tier 2 to 6, usually I dont play much tier 1 to not prey on new players.
Losses are not because I would lose money constantly in matches but because I buy new vehicles and make lineups.
It used to be completely sustainable and you could earn as much as you spent with little extra but now it`s just going down down down.
Good matches with plenty of kills earning half what they used to give,

Oh okay, that makes more sense, I'm newer to the game so I'm trying to level up every nation at the same time (and yes it is a dumb plan) and I can unlock a tank in about 8 or 9 really good matches but can't afford it until 18 or 20 matches later. Unless I play 1.0 tanks in 5.0 matches, the most money I can make in an hour (without every match being perfect or relying on skill awards) is around 7k sl after repairs and its around 4-7 matches per hour.

My best match ever was me sitting in a Tiger H1 (in an uptier, 5.3 vs 6.3) on the south side of the ravine on Karelia (if your looking at the map on the Wiki) where I stopped the entire enemy spawn wave by myself (9 kills) and then proceed to take out another 8 before they finally knocked out my gunner, arty'ed the hell out of me before an IS-2 (1944) finally took me down. a total of 17 tanks destroyed, 4 or 5 near deaths door and I managed waste 7 minutes of the match so the rest of my team could roll over the 3 capture points (16v16 match). After that I jumped in my SD.KFZ 221 and killed 2 more tanks and got assists on the others I had injured earlier. I didn't have any boosters but I got 36k SL and (I believe) 14k RP after the match won modifier. This is the one and only time I've managed to make more than 5 k RP and the second time I manged to make more than 20k SL in over 200 hours. I unlocked the Tiger E because of this match and as you might imagine I lost quite a bit of money buying it and three weeks later I still haven't used it, I've put it in a line up before so I could try to take 1.0 into a 6.7 uptier but I'm afraid to use anything higher than 5.3 for fear of rapidly losing money.

With my average earnings I can't keep up at higher tiers, I even decided not use anything but my H1, not because I suck with other tanks or because Germany suffers but because I simply can not afford it without being completely out for myself or in a 1.0 tank and screwing over my fellow players who would seriously benefit from having more heavy armor helping them out. I got lucky in the Karelia match because I spawned alone and over half the enemy team decided to come my way so I was a big help to the team but normally I end up being a dead weight that follows along and saves a friendly tank or two but not much else, In lower tier matches I can ignore the repair cost and just play to my hearts content in whatever way I please but by 4.7 that fun ends for nearly every nation.

[rigolgm]

After several years of playing, I'm probably ready to uninstall. I've probably poured £300 into it over the past 3 years. I've paid my due and I'd found a steady balance where I could just play decently without going backwards, without having to.faff around with repairs across different nations. The game's taken that away.

[[F4G] StoneD0G]

As a main A-RB player who sometimes plays tanks. Tanks always put me back a couple 100k in a sitting while i easily win those back in Air RB in a few games. If you want to stay afloat, start playing Air, get like 2-3 kills per game and you're golden.

[Nenne.]

Messaggio originale di PBS StoneD0G:

As a main A-RB player who sometimes plays tanks. Tanks always put me back a couple 100k in a sitting while i easily win those back in Air RB in a few games. If you want to stay afloat, start playing Air, get like 2-3 kills per game and you're golden.

This is true..
i go + on Silver Lions every game in both AB and RB air.
all between 5k to 15k .....(im not as good as the other players) and play only between 2,7-5.3
meaning no jets...Refuse to even tuch them..

[KokkoJustus]

What are you doing exatly in the matches if you manage to lose sl with more than 1 kdr?

There isnt any too expensive repair costs at that br in us tree, all under 5000 with the exception of m247,

you get that 5k back with one kill from in win