12.7mm vs any cannons

[Kartosuro444]

so.... why american 12.7mm always make crit or even easily set fire any plane with their universal or napalm belts than 20mm does damage to control surface and fuselage with stealth or air targets? ('-'

[SuperbPledget]

Guess you haven't seen what swedish 12.7 are capable of if you're complaining about brownings :)

[flyboymb]

Quantity over quality. Brownings are usually in groups of 4-8 and haveca much higher rate of fire. If each bullet has X chance of doing a crit and there's 8X as many .50 rounds as 20mm, the .50s are going to hit jackpots more often than the 20mms in the same span of time.

Reduce the .50 crit chance by half compared to 20mm and .50 still comes out ahead statistically.

[Dagordae]

Dakka.
The 50s come in large numbers with a high RoF. More bullets means more likely to hit important bits. Downside being that as the armor and durability goes up, the MG become less and less effective.

[Kartosuro444]

Originally posted by SuperbPledget:

Guess you haven't seen what swedish 12.7 are capable of if you're complaining about brownings :)

13.2 you mean?

[Kartosuro444]

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Quantity over quality. Brownings are usually in groups of 4-8 and haveca much higher rate of fire. If each bullet has X chance of doing a crit and there's 8X as many .50 rounds as 20mm, the .50s are going to hit jackpots more often than the 20mms in the same span of time.

Reduce the .50 crit chance by half compared to 20mm and .50 still comes out ahead statistically.

really weird that a single 20mm cannot even tear a rudder in 5-6 hits, while everytime i got jumped by p47 the rudder instanly gone

[shadain597]

Originally posted by Kartosuro444:

Originally posted by flyboymb:

Quantity over quality. Brownings are usually in groups of 4-8 and haveca much higher rate of fire. If each bullet has X chance of doing a crit and there's 8X as many .50 rounds as 20mm, the .50s are going to hit jackpots more often than the 20mms in the same span of time.

Reduce the .50 crit chance by half compared to 20mm and .50 still comes out ahead statistically.

really weird that a single 20mm cannot even tear a rudder in 5-6 hits, while everytime i got jumped by p47 the rudder instanly gone

That trend of losing tail controls to every close encounter with USA-made .50 cals continues into the jet era; nothing like being happy about dodging a head-on nutter, only to remember you are in a MiG, so what looked like a dodge was really a total loss of at least one tail control surface.

[Jaes]

If the pilot is striking their target within their gun convergence zone, the amount of rounds that impacts the target is generally greater than what a canon can get on, especially if they have more time on target.

However, cannons produce better glancing shot kills as they only need a couple hits to destroy their target if they hit something critical vs. .50 cals where only a couple of rounds won't do much damage, if at all. This is primarily why the shift from heavy caliber bullets shifted to cannon rounds after Korea as F-86s were having trouble bringing down Migs without prolonged bursts of fire, which as aircraft get faster and more nimble, becomes incredibly difficult to achieve.

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by SuperbPledget:

Guess you haven't seen what swedish 12.7 are capable of if you're complaining about brownings :)

To not mention Italian 12.7 mm Breda too

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

Originally posted by SuperbPledget:

Guess you haven't seen what swedish 12.7 are capable of if you're complaining about brownings :)

To not mention Italian 12.7 mm Breda too

MAMMA MIA

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

To not mention Italian 12.7 mm Breda too

MAMA MIA :nakedcucumber:

Mamma mia, it's with two Ms

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Originally posted by ♠Gamer3106♠:

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

MAMA MIA

Mamma mia, it's with two Ms

edited thnak you