German G91 R/4 is grossly uptiered

[{PUB} MORTY]

EDIT: IDGAF about your opinions. just stating mine.

[Blazed_minD]

I main Britain, a majority of our jets sit at the 8.7 mark and constantly face these 9.0-9.7 up-tiers. I verse the same jets as yourself but in a Swift F7, an aircraft that doesn't even come with true heat seekers..

Your G.91 R/4 on the other hand can boast four sidewinders when everyone else around this BR has the option of either just two or none AAM. Personally I'd be trying to make good use of that advantage.

[Pug]

I agree with you, though for ground it's very strong so it would be an argument against a BR change.

[VasteV]

Unfortunately for you, G.91R/4 is an amazing ground pounder in Ground RB, thanks to its Nord spam. 4xAIM-9Bs also add to its battle rating and capabilities.

[CH13F]

im not sure about air battles but what i see in ground battles it really performs well, 91 r3/4 players usually net around 3 to 5 kills with each spawn.((if they dont dive to spaas like maniacs of course.))thanks to point and click adventure nords.

i dont like air anymore after first year of this game,im purely tanker, but i think i ma grab a r4 this month to support my german tanks.

[Akagi]

Please tell me you are a troll. Please.

I know that fighting harriers is a pain in the ass, but thats the same problem for literally every other nation facing it

Also yeah please get it to 8.0 so it can commit war crimes to 7.0 tanks.
And gib Leo 1 a stab so people wouldn't even need to struggle getting into a g91

[boingo]

Originally posted by Akagi:

Please tell me you are a troll. Please.

I know that fighting harriers is a pain in the ass, but thats the same problem for literally every other nation facing it

Also yeah please get it to 8.0 so it can commit war crimes to 7.0 tanks.
And gib Leo 1 a stab so people wouldn't even need to struggle getting into a g91

yea also make leo1 faster and lower g.91 to 7.3

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

That G91 i heard that is very good to cas in RB ground mode, maybe its the porpuse for it,
ground pounding...

[BLODKORPEN]

When you click Battle expect uptier. Doesnt matter what. Thats just the jam now. Every plane..tanks too.

[shadain597]

So, what I am hearing is that the plane is really good in Ground RB, not quite so much in Air RB; it's almost like Air and Ground should have different BRs, hmmmm. . . .

[CH13F]

EY! fellas? you mean fella, whats my fault? only 1 person called u wehraboo.

[Akagi]

Originally posted by MORTY:

Listen fellas. Ya don't have to be ♥♥♥♥♥ about this. I'm not a "wehraboo" or a troll, so take your toxic attitude and shove it.

I know you're *probably* capable of communicating with others on the internet without resorting to insults. The fact that you choose not to, or simply can't, indicates poor intelligence on your part.

To the rest of you, thank you. I only play Air RB. I guess i could have indicated that in my original post, however i only talked about planes, so i thought it was obvious. Thanks for informing me about the OP factor in Ground battles. I was unaware as I have pretty much zero interest in tanks. I bought this plane because it's the *only* top tier premium German plane you can get. I did this to cut my grind in half now that i'm grinding Tier 6 of my German tech tree.

It can be a very fun plane, and i do take advantage of the 4x Aim 9B's. Perhaps what i would love to see most is simply a downgrade in BR to 8.3 for Air RB. having this go against any 9.7's is just stupid, and it leads to paying customers like myself feeling burned.

Good day.

But you need to look at it that way: If you want it to be 8.3 or even 8.0, then please tell me how the 7.0/7.3 jets should deal with you. If you think that the using the g91 against 9.7 is horrible, then what you are doing to the first generation jets will be an entire massacre.
I know that dealing with 9.7s is can be difficult to unplaybale, especially since the last 2 big updates but the g91 is not the only jet at 8.7 who has to deal with 9.7s
Also fun fact: Since you grind out Germany, I dare you to play the Mig 19S. You will get uptiered constantly to 10.7 where you get obliterated by 30G aams without even having own aams or being able to counter them with flares or smth like that. Then you will be happy playing the g91 against 9.7 jets.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by Akagi:

But you need to look at it that way: If you want it to be 8.3 or even 8.0, then please tell me how the 7.0/7.3 jets should deal with you. If you think that the using the g91 against 9.7 is horrible, then what you are doing to the first generation jets will be an entire massacre.
I know that dealing with 9.7s is can be difficult to unplaybale, especially since the last 2 big updates but the g91 is not the only jet at 8.7 who has to deal with 9.7s
Also fun fact: Since you grind out Germany, I dare you to play the Mig 19S. You will get uptiered constantly to 10.7 where you get obliterated by 30G aams without even having own aams or being able to counter them with flares or smth like that. Then you will be happy playing the g91 against 9.7 jets.

Yeah, this is a good point. In general, jets suffer massively from BR compression/too large of a BR range in a match.

As a comparison, I've got the Sea Hawk Mk 100; it's the only 8.0 with 2 AIM-9Bs, and a lot of players using lower BR jets complain about it being OP because of that. But it's ONLY 2 missiles, and the Hawk has absolutely terrible energy retention and acceleration, to the point that nearly every fighter it encounters can outrun it and keep their speed up better in fights.

Aside from the missiles, it's only advantage is being a bit better at turning than most jets in it's BR range, but this is meaningless if a single 180 threatens to drop your speed below 600kph and take twice as long as everyone else to get it back up. IIRC G91s have similar maneuverability, but are better at energy retention/acceleration than Hawks, so IDK if a jet that is superior in every way, including 2x the missiles, should only be 0.3 BR higher. Also, I don't think AtA missiles are very common as loadouts until ~9.0, but I might be mistaken. Heck, I think many 9.7-10.0 jets either don't have any or only get 9Bs, which must be painful in 10.7 matches.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by MORTY:

I hope Gaijin does move this to 8.3. it's performance is a failure in Air RB. If you so much as touch your keyboard above 500km it wing rips. the missiles have a 10g load capability, which when combined with trying to seek 9.7 planes is neigh impossible to land a hit. To the person who said research your stuff? i did. i looked at which plane was capable of researching through rank 6, and this was the only one. It also had a 4x aim9b setup. which tells me it's useful in an air battle. I test flew it about 15 times. i liked the performance. I bought it, and while i liked the performance, it can barely hang with any of the planes it's being matched against. I'm not asking for much. Just an 8.3 battle rating. Cause i'm highly dissatisfied with the fact this plane cost $50 and this is the type of experience i get for it.

I mean, I feel the pain; as I said, I'm also dissatisfied with the Sea Hawk premium and it kinda flops when used for air combat. But I think that rather than going down in BR they really need to tighten up the range of jets you can face; i.e. you currently can see 7.7 to 9.7, but if they reduced that to 8.0-9.3 things wouldn't be quite so bad. IMO it'd be worth trying, since I doubt it would have too much of an effect on queue times.

[Col. Cornbread]

are you using the plane outside of Ground RB? if so stop it. its for Ground RB and nothing else

[83athom]

I'd like to point out OP is complaining about the G91 being underpowered and anyone who disagrees with him is toxic when he doesn't even have the Rank 3, 4, or 5 achievements.