Is Warthunder even fun any more?

[DrDaft]

jsut as my titles asks is this game even fun anymore?

I know i am not the only ones to express this feeling which is a crying shame because for all intensive purposes this game is actually pretty good for what it is.

And sure i still have the odd moment where some crazy ♥♥♥♥ happens and it is fun,

but 9/10 times now its just i find my self loading up a game (that i have been playing close to when it first came out) and just feel deflated instantly and just close it and go to a different game.

Ground RB is just the same now:
load into a fast tank
drive to point
capture point
"j" out
Spawn in CAS
Decimate team

Now i prefer my late WW2 Tanks or should i say i used to. Now its just constant up tiers where WW2 tanks always face off Post WW2 tanks and planes and thats no fun for any one.

Air RB is just boring

and sea battles well..... yeah no interest

I just wish something would change because for me the game has stagnated and that never is a good sign

[BLODKORPEN]

引用自 neldot：

引用自 Corax：

Honestly this game is more of a chore than anything fun

And the battlepass has made it even more of a chore than a fun pastime.
I always feel totally energy drained after I complete the boring and difficult daily tasks.

Yeah that battlepass introduction effed up the matchmaking for one. Not sure why they had to jump on the Battlepass bandwagon ...like, 5 years after most other games already done and tested it.

[calembredaine]

getting really philosophical about how legitimate the f2p system's many implications can be, aren't we.

i think the moralizing approach about putting the blame on one side just disrupts the thread's mood and nothing else: just by taking a look at this damn forum, many have enough of the company being blamed for what they do not consider an issue, but many of those blame in turn the source of criticism itself. i think this silly scapegoat game is fruitless if not counterproductive.

for now i believe you folks have recognized two main branches to have less assertive game monetization (assuming you wish for it):
-fiddling with video games legislation, setting hard limits for devs to follow
-fiddling with the targeted audience, making them develop standards actively rejecting super assertive models, leading to companies adjusting themselves

no alledged moral principle makes one way more legitimate than the other imo, else it would feel so trivial we would not debate such matter to begin with. you pick one, the other, perhaps both, for the sake of pragmatic interests in relation to the set goal.

biggest issue is that in any case, you will have to work your ass off to even start hoping realistically, and i doubt anyone in this forum has the resources to spare on such a formidable project.

[neldot]

引用自 Ghojo：

引用自 Tom：

Thing is, drug addicts can get help, addicts to gaming and stuff like that however don't have that kind of support, so it's up to each individual to monitor themself, i'm not defending companies don't worry, i just think that until there's a structure to help these people, well... We can't do anything, Unless someone here is a qualified psychologist we can't do anything

We can keep calling out these companies, like gaijin, EA, ubisoft, etc. and pressure politcians to draft and put into place laws against microtransactions and predatory game mechanics.

This is gaining pressure in the UK and EU, it's just slow because there isn't that much public demand for it.

I work in the law field, I think that most companies are just one micro-transaction away from a severe fine from the EU. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung went all under investigations and sometime were heavily fined by EU, for most games companies is just a matter of time, their immoral practices will be sanctioned sooner or later. Generally the EU is a bit slow to act, but it doesn't tolerate corporations exploiting their customers with unfair strategies.

Meanwhile, it's our duty as oldtime gamers that see why these business models are not fair, to continue to point them out.

[fatninjas27]

You're not the only one man. I'm a relatively new player and in the year i've played this game has caused nothing but pure hatred for gaijin bc of all the purposeful ♥♥♥♥ they do each update to squeeze money out of you.
I've chosen not to pay for premium time, and man does this game really punish you for that since researching vehicles and their parts in mid-high tier is, I feel, impossible; I think I've been stuck in 6.0 BR range for 3 months, which, in my opinion, is the worst tier for american tanks.
Then you have gaijin catering to the german mains that cry that germany suffers bc one time their 88 mm gun bounce off a t34 or a 76 sherman and now they have to be raised in br and the tiger should go down to 4.3.
Then you have stuff like BR compression, horrible map design, etc. This game has easily fixable big problems and a lot of smaller annoyances that gaijin chooses not to fix bc they're lazy, and their payment model relies on you getting pissed and buying ge, premium, or blatantly overpowered vehicles.

[Tomoko]

引用自 neldot：

引用自 Ghojo：

We can keep calling out these companies, like gaijin, EA, ubisoft, etc. and pressure politcians to draft and put into place laws against microtransactions and predatory game mechanics.

This is gaining pressure in the UK and EU, it's just slow because there isn't that much public demand for it.

I work in the law field, I think that most companies are just one micro-transaction away from a severe fine from the EU. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung went all under investigations and sometime were heavily fined by EU, for most games companies is just a matter of time, their immoral practices will be sanctioned sooner or later. Generally the EU is a bit slow to act, but it doesn't tolerate corporations exploiting their customers with unfair strategies.

Meanwhile, it's our duty as oldtime gamers that see why these business models are not fair, to continue to point them out.

Problem is when companies make billions out of pigeons a fine will never hurt them... best kind of cash bleeding would be to boycott or something like that

[Tom]

引用自 Tomoko：

引用自 neldot：

I work in the law field, I think that most companies are just one micro-transaction away from a severe fine from the EU. Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung went all under investigations and sometime were heavily fined by EU, for most games companies is just a matter of time, their immoral practices will be sanctioned sooner or later. Generally the EU is a bit slow to act, but it doesn't tolerate corporations exploiting their customers with unfair strategies.

Meanwhile, it's our duty as oldtime gamers that see why these business models are not fair, to continue to point them out.

Problem is when companies make billions out of pigeons a fine will never hurt them... best kind of cash bleeding would be to boycott or something like that

yep, but most of these people paying thousands into games don't listen to boycott orders and will defend their game to the death

[Dutch Plan Der Linde]

usually when ppl complain about this game its cuz they're the problem, but this post right here is spot on and how i feel too man. it is indeed a shame

[Space Marine]

引用自 fatninjas27：

Then you have stuff like BR compression, horrible map design, etc. This game has easily fixable big problems and a lot of smaller annoyances that gaijin chooses not to fix bc they're lazy, and their payment model relies on you getting pissed and buying ge, premium, or blatantly overpowered vehicles.

i feel you man, the map design sometimes and their way of forcing you to buy premium hits hard

[Oblivion_Gun]

Combine battles was a mistake, Cross-play was a mistake, They BR system is a joke, the Devs are bigger jokes,The Anti-hack system couldn't ban a hacker even if it worked

[Mania]

引用自 Oblivion_Gun：

Combine battles was a mistake, Cross-play was a mistake, They BR system is a joke, the Devs are bigger jokes,The Anti-hack system couldn't ban a hacker even if it worked

I don't see a lot of hackers lol

[AndSoDerp]

No its no longer fun, War Thunder is a game that is painfully and slowly dying due to the devs not giving a dam and only cares about money, pampering towards the two nations and switching gears to Enlisted.

[hsf_]

引用自 Oblivion_Gun：

Combine battles was a mistake, Cross-play was a mistake, They BR system is a joke, the Devs are bigger jokes,The Anti-hack system couldn't ban a hacker even if it worked

To each his own I guess. I mean I agree in principle with some of what you say, but perhaps not as strongly worded as you say.

I personally think combined battles is a good idea but needs some balancing. You could for example limit the amount of active aircraft per team or you could do it a similar way to Arcade mode, but perhaps less often.

Crossplay is fine in my opinion and doesn't carry any skill barriers until you get to the very highest level.

The BR system without uptier/downtiers would be fine, but given the sheer number of BR's it would be difficult to find a game without having a range. This could be helped(not fixed, but helped) if they reduced the range slightly.

The devs do make some strange decisions, they also seem to be indecisive with some updates, like the sounds... They don't seem to want to leave the sounds alone and I do question the level of bug proofing they do before releasing updates.

The anti-cheat is indeed useless. But that's not based on how many cheaters I see in War Thunder, which in 1500 hours I could count on 1 hand(that I could prove are cheating). It's based on previous experiences in other games where the anti-cheat has not detected blatant cheats like spin-bots and hardlock aimbots. It's also quite buggy too and often throws you out of game for "game violation #000000001" because it detected its own process running... Lol(I'm exaggerating, it's because of a bug not because it detects its self).

[Lukefonfabre]

i have actually had more fun playing naval battles these past 2 days then I have had fun playing tanks for these past 3 weeks. I get so upset when I play the tanks and air battles because of all the crap that goes on when you play those. The decision to try the naval part of the game was actually a good choice on my part as it's actually fun for me.

[akcreeper]

at low br i did but now it looks like its dead as watch them play nO FNING WAY ARE THESE REAL PEOPLE game dead and they filling it with bots

[BLODKORPEN]

holy snitzel, this thread took a turn