Pz. 3 Hard to Kill

[DerpingOnSunshine]

In the protection analysis, it shows that the KV-1 (L-11)'s BR-350SP round can easily penetrate turret and hull front, but in game it is almost always a non-pen. It is especially apparent with the premium Pz.3 Ausf. N and the regular Ausf. M. Is it because of the add-on armor or what?

[jr83]

Originally posted by DerpingOnSunshine:

In the protection analysis, it shows that the KV-1 (L-11)'s BR-350SP round can easily penetrate turret and hull front, but in game it is almost always a non-pen. It is especially apparent with the premium Pz.3 Ausf. N and the regular Ausf. M. Is it because of the add-on armor or what?

Not because of any track armor or skirts, but rather the extra bit of plate on the front of the mantlet (or whatever, you know, where the cannon protrudes from the turret) that the lower ranked Pz. 3s do not have.

[DerpingOnSunshine]

Makes sense but it's not like it's adding another 50mm of armor so not sure why it's so effective at blocking shots lol

[burg4401]

the armour pen analysis is under perfect conditions, in a game, you and the target are at different angles, means things are different.

only by watching your replay (and I don't want too) can you see what angles you were at when you fired.

[[QUAP] Time to Colonize]

Originally posted by DerpingOnSunshine:

In the protection analysis, it shows that the KV-1 (L-11)'s BR-350SP round can easily penetrate turret and hull front, but in game it is almost always a non-pen. It is especially apparent with the premium Pz.3 Ausf. N and the regular Ausf. M. Is it because of the add-on armor or what?

Isnt the BR-350SP an APCR round? If so dont ever use APCR, its completely unreliable and the slightest angle will force a bounce on the round if you dont hit 90° dead on.

[Qu Rahn]

350SP is APBC, 93 pen @10m & 0 degrees. Not the strongest ammo.
Pz3s actually have good armor, with many frontal parts being 50+20mm. Add some angling, distance, and server/client position differences and it isn't hard to bounce such low pen ammo.

[Mr. Black]

yeah Pz iii are better armour than it looks like

[Zalzany]

Yeah pz 3 for its time was actually well designed it was their work horse till Romel fought his first m3 lee of all random things in Africa campaign. Till then it was fighting like 37mm AT guns, and stuff like that. They upped the armor from pz II design and gave it that little toothpick gun wich at time was pretty good size for a main battle tank. Wasn't till later on that it became a peashooter. And by the time they fought the first 75mm on the m3 lee, Rommel had a fun suprise for the British who after deafeating his push, and decided to charge with the m3 lees leading the charge. The stationary flak 88 cannon he just got those shiped over and used those to destroy the lees from 2 miles away at that range the 75mm might as well be shooting 50 cal rounds lol. But long story short US just cut off the supply line and all the 88s in the world mean nothing when you running out of ammo, and spare parts to fix your ♥♥♥♥ clogged up with sand.

Anyways yeah they straped that extra plate on the turret, and on the front in front of the driver to deal with people actually realizing the wwI AT guns were garbage now.

[Ruiツ]

It uses higher armour modifiers. The add-on armour is "High hardness rolled armour", compared to the usual RHA or Cast armour you find on other tanks. That makes a huge difference.

[Onimaho]

Originally posted by DerpingOnSunshine:

In the protection analysis, it shows that the KV-1 (L-11)'s BR-350SP round can easily penetrate turret and hull front, but in game it is almost always a non-pen. It is especially apparent with the premium Pz.3 Ausf. N and the regular Ausf. M. Is it because of the add-on armor or what?

Don't fret...once you go up one more BR anything german is easy to pen for a 1 hit ko on all those big flat panels that are on vehicle.

It really is just the 3m an 3L that require a little finesse, but only when fighting at their br.

Also as a KV player, you got nothing to complain about...that is the best heavy vehicle in the game at its BR.

[OcGuy]

never use the APCR ammunition, it does barely anything upon penetration