swedish tanks up to rank 3

[amebapiko]

Are they okay, my brother is new and he played them but i see its a struggle. I told him to maybe switch to german because I felt like swedish may make the game less fun for them.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Swedish tank tree is trash, pretty much worst one of all tank nations.

[Skaldy]

Sweden is derp nation. Most tanks are glass canons. Means you need to used range and cover and pick targets off. Also only nation that reserves can yeet rank 5s. I like them but HEATFS rounds are pretty much broken so APDS. Also best planes IMO.

[Shyue Chou]

Alright, you have a qualifier, up to rank 3.

For rank 1, the Swedish tanks are akin to early model Pz IIIs and Pz 38t, mainly armed with 37 mm guns. It doesn't get better. It is not very different from other nations' rank 1 line-ups.

For rank 2, you get a mixture of light tanks and assault guns. Some of the tanks like the Lago I would have APDS with a penetration of 105 mm at point blank but it will not have any filler. And the assault guns, now, those would have HEAT rounds with low muzzle velocities, in other words, it shoots in an arc over longer ranges, not easy to play for beginners.

For rank 3, now, you have two assault guns with good guns at a battle rating of 4 and the Delat Torn with a battle rating of 5, and a somewhat hopeless AA vehicle. Now, if you were to form that line up, the two assault guns would always be under-tiered. And assault guns or tank destroyers, being what they are, are highly vulnerable and specialised, in other words, the line-up isn't flexible.

[SpiralRazor]

A derp nation? no...just no.

Skaldy is correct about being glass cannons though. They trade armor for penetration and speed. Aside from a few earlier TDs, which are more armor based, yeah you wont be bouncing a lot of shells with anything all the way up the tiers. It forces you to learn the tanks and, more importantly, learn the maps and positioning. Your brother, being new, probably isnt going to get the best use out of them and id recommend Germany or USSR. They play a bit more straight forward, at least up until tier 5.

If you get to BR 5.0 though, you can run the DT, the 1963 TD and the 40mm AA spaag, all of which are solid. Cant tell you how many times ive wrecked the opfor with a flank on the DT...the round is quite good at 5.0 and the ready rack = 5 dead tanks. The TD has good optics paired with very good penetration. Its a capable sniper with excellent hill play. The AA gun can mess up most medium and light tanks from the front within 100 meters and can kill everything from the side, with the exceptions of Tigers and Churchills, in a few hits. Whilst you *can* in fact kill tigers and C 7s, it uh..may take you awhile. However what it can do is very easily blow up barrels and tracks owning to its AA style optics that come stock.

[shadain597]

I mean, play what you enjoy, as long as you can make enough SL to sustain it. But early Sweden isn't all that great, outside of the APDS rounds they get as a late mod on many vehicles. Given the limited size of the tree, it can be hard to form lineups without uptiering your lower BR vehicles too much.

[Slyke]

Swedish ground forces are more difficult than the Germans. Whether or not that is a problem is a personal matter. Also Germany isn't particularly good for complete beginners either. In terms of ground forces difficulty I'd describe the nations as follows:

- USA - easy to become average, difficult to become effective.
- Germany - difficult to become average, very easy to advance from there.
- USSR - moderately difficult no matter your level of experience.
- France, Britain, Sweden, Italy - very difficult to become average, moderately difficult from there on.
- Japan, China - PAIN.

[shadain597]

Messaggio originale di Curst:

Swedish ground forces are more difficult than the Germans. Whether or not that is a problem is a personal matter. Also Germany isn't particularly good for complete beginners either. In terms of ground forces difficulty I'd describe the nations as follows:

- USA - easy to become average, difficult to become effective.
- Germany - difficult to become average, very easy to advance from there.
- USSR - moderately difficult no matter your level of experience.
- France, Britain, Sweden, Italy - very difficult to become average, moderately difficult from there on.
- Japan, China - PAIN.

If we are talking early ranks, then I disagree about USSR; their gun depression is a significant disadvantage, especially on TDs, but many of their early tanks have an excellent balance of beginner-friendly firepower, relatively speaking, plus solid mobility, and average or better survivability.

But I'm happy to see another person pointing out that Germany is strong, but by no means "brain-dead easy;" too many people recommend it to new players with the advice that Germany basically wins on auto-pilot, which isn't true at all.

[Pinkie Pie]

The rank I anti air and tank destroyer are really good, the rest are meh.

[Jaes]

As has been mentioned, Sweden is not a good nation to start off with the game. Sweden is one of those nations that heavily rewards your knowledge of the game and will punish you for not knowing how things work.

US, Soviets, and Germany are better starter nations by a large margin. You're not punished as harshly for mistakes while using these nations (not that there's zero, but the margin for error is a bit wider) so it would certainly be recommend to switch from Sweden.

[Shyue Chou]

I would recommend playing the Russians up to Rank 3. Russian tanks usually have reasonable armour, in fact, rather thick for ranks 1-3. Russian tanks are also fairly mobile and have guns that have filler, allowing one shot kills. This should play well for a beginning player, being fast to play, lethal and well protected. As for gun depression, most new players don't adopt hull down positions as they are busy taking objectives and moving.

[FizzyElf]

From someone who has played Sweden and every other nation to the end of rank 2 and 3 I would recommend your friend look into testing each nations reserve options and then going from there but if they'd like a list from most beginner friendly to least I added one below:

USA: Extremely average performance for all vehicles until rank 4, you will always have just enough speed, armor and penetration to get the job done but you'll always wish for more.

Russia: Another nation who is average but with a small benefit, good armor.

Germany: Nearly every tank you meet was designed to kill you specifically, but, you were built to take on the world... and you often do. Good tanks, bad learning curve and strong enemies, not a great choice for completely new players but as a second nation for slightly more experienced players its a great option.

Italy: R3 is GOD, currently accepting new followers... er I mean "Players"

China: 1.0: Nice, China 1.3-11.0: HELL. China gives you a decent 1.0 lineup and then becomes USA and the Soviet Unions recycling bin, you are the tank equivalent of generic brand cereal and everyone knows how to kill you.

Japan: Many new players have died here, you will likely be one of them. Bad tanks and until the end of rank 2 and beginning of 3 then sniper tanks until rank 7, Type 16 is best Samurai. Stay clear until you have more experience, else you bring shame upon your family.

France: Discount america with a few terrible WW1 hazbins and strong late game tanks for those who stick with it, Great reverse speeds too.

Sweden: For those who like Barrel and Breach torture, this is NOT a beginner friendly faction and unless you know what you're doing stay far, FAR away. If you do know what your doing, congrats, I made it to rank 4 in about 20 hours and so can you! Easy to grind, HELL to play.

Britain: You will never make it past rank 1, winning a match with 7 kills and 20+ assists will only make around 200 RP, hope you brought a BIG glass of Tea because you're gonna be here a while mate.

I would say go for Germany seeing as they have played a few matches but honestly I think Russia or USA will give them an easier time and let them get the hang of the game.

[Zeradus]

Messaggio originale di Rumpelcrutchskin:

Swedish tank tree is trash, pretty much worst one of all tank nations.

Speaking as a top tier player of Russia, Germany, USA, and Sweden....no....it isn't. I have had literally zero issues getting to top of team with Sweden. The only thing I would say is trash is the SPAA selection before you get to the radar spaa.

[Xander2405]

Messaggio originale di Rumpelcrutchskin:

Swedish tank tree is trash, pretty much worst one of all tank nations.

not at all, but ok