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xCrossFaith 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 10:49
Some general tips for tanks? It seems I'm missing more than I thought
I don't know if it's my incompatibility with russian tanks, that Panthers and Tigers are just such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or that the game in general is bugged in that regard, but after getting "non penetration" in weak spots like 15 times in a row, I decided to go the test screen, since definetly there's something wrong there.. And pretty much it went like:

Testing Panther A armor, since germans are the best armored tanks at the BR I'm currently playing and the ones I enocunter the most

Tank I tested: IS-1

I tested 2 types of ammo in the front plate:
BR-365P In theory 195 mm of penetration "non penetration"
BR-365A In theory 135 mm of penetration "penetrates and destroys stuff"

Can someone tell me some quick guide on ammo? Because to me that honestly doesn't make much sense, shouldn't a faster, more penetrating ammo, well... Penetrate more on the same spot?
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Akagi 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 10:59 
I guess the main issue is that the BR-365P is an APCR round and it is known that using apcr is like playing roulette 90% of the time.
I'd recommend to just use the 365A for now and later switch to the 365K (keep the A in case you need to snipe since it's penetration is better than the K on distances over 500m)
Slyke 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 11:08 
Armor piercing - overall average.
Armor piercing with explosive filler - lower penetration, dramatically increased post-penetration damage.
APDS (/APCR /HVAP) - high penetration against flat surface, low post-pen damage, very bad against sloped armor and complex surfaces, loses energy and becomes inaccurate very quickly with range.
HESH - moderate penetration, very good against sloped armor, good post-pen damage, low velocity.
HEAT - high penetration, moderate post-pen damage, very fragile, low velocity.
HEATFS - very high penetration, the rest same as above.
APFSDS - very high penetration, extreme velocity, very good against angled armor.
最後修改者:Slyke; 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 11:19
Rumpelcrutchskin 2021 年 8 月 26 日 上午 11:11 
With Russian 85mm the 365A APHEBC is all you need, it acts best when encountering slopes and delivers massive boom when penetrating.
With Panthers you wont be shooting front slope unless you have 122mm, shoot the turret cheeks and if they angle little bit too much the side armor of Panthers is basically paper.
highfivingbears 2021 年 8 月 26 日 下午 7:53 
A good tip: never, never, never use APCR unless you have to. Shell selection matters very much in War Thunder. Like others have said, sheer penetration isn't everything.

APCR rounds (like the Soviet BR-365P) generally have incredibly high penetration, with poor post-pen damage and horrible performance against sloped armor. You will almost never have an actual need to use APCR, aside from it being the only round you have access to on some tanks before researching others.

Also, just wait until you get that beautiful IS-2. It's got a very long reload, so don't bring it on the front lines... but you can punch straight through the hull of a Panther from almost a kilometer away.
BEEP! 2021 年 8 月 26 日 下午 8:07 
5.3 Germany to 6.3 Germany have crazy good armor you ether have to aim at weak points like the Panther cheeks very trolley and small to hit at range or you flank and stick to the side of the map and stay around there the Germany have very weak side armor wile they have the firepower to aim really anywhere on you to kill you.

For USSR stick to the medium tanks there your best tanks and a couple of the light tanks check the BMP out very nice tank a little slow but you can pen everything the Heavy tanks past the KV series are pore armor and massive weak spots that are super easy to hit at any range the IS-1 is a nice tank because how mobile it is with a good gun but the rest of the Is tank suck massive weak spots lower front plate is a instant kill for almost every IS tank and the cheeks of the turret super easy to hit and the long reload time won't help at all.

So when you get past the 5.3 don't bother with the heavy's past IS-1 stick with the mediums and lights there all very nice and if you like the IS tanks be very away of the weak spots if you have bushes use them hide your lower front plate that is a instant kill by almost everything and don't play heavy's past the IS-1 in up tiers you will suffer.

And the only other thing I can tell you is map knowledge knowing the map is key above all else and then know how to tell if your in a up-tier by your spawn points if your in a downier then take out yours heavy's.
Qu Rahn 2021 年 8 月 26 日 下午 9:16 
USSR sucks past 4.7, don't play it. In fact, I recommend you changing nations. Grind Germany.

I'm gonna be arrogant and say 'trust me': I grinded USSR to 11.0 before giving up, there is not a single BR past 4.7 where USSR has anything on pair with Germans. Maybe the T-44.

IS-1/2 series is inferior to Tigers and KTs. T-34s are inferior to Panthers. The TDs & Lights are just a bunch of meme vehicles. SPAA line is not comparable as well, the three Onions are leagues above other equallly BRed SPAA. Gepards >>>>>>>>>>>> ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/Yenishits.

For your case, in particular, I suppose you're at 5.0/5.3 with the T-34-85s and IS-1.
T-34-85s vs Panthers is not even a comparison, you have less than 140 pen vs almost 200. You have to aim for very BS weakspots, they can one-shot you anywhere.

Germans are overpowered on 5.3 with the Tiger H1 and Panther D. On 3.3 You already have 140 pen. KV1C is a strong premium for 5.0. Marder & Leo at 7.3. Best 9.x lineup in the game. Top notch 10.x as well.

Like, really, grind it and laugh, bro.

Oh, but if you insist on it, then don't use APCR, use APHEBC.
Rumpelcrutchskin 2021 年 8 月 26 日 下午 11:21 
Luckily most people playing Germans are complete rubbish so you will usually do fine with Russian tanks. :steammocking:
kongol36 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 2:51 
引用自 Qu Rahn
USSR sucks past 4.7, don't play it. In fact, I recommend you changing nations. Grind Germany.

I'm gonna be arrogant and say 'trust me': I grinded USSR to 11.0 before giving up, there is not a single BR past 4.7 where USSR has anything on pair with Germans. Maybe the T-44.

IS-1/2 series is inferior to Tigers and KTs. T-34s are inferior to Panthers. The TDs & Lights are just a bunch of meme vehicles. SPAA line is not comparable as well, the three Onions are leagues above other equallly BRed SPAA. Gepards >>>>>>>>>>>> ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/Yenishits.

For your case, in particular, I suppose you're at 5.0/5.3 with the T-34-85s and IS-1.
T-34-85s vs Panthers is not even a comparison, you have less than 140 pen vs almost 200. You have to aim for very BS weakspots, they can one-shot you anywhere.

Germans are overpowered on 5.3 with the Tiger H1 and Panther D. On 3.3 You already have 140 pen. KV1C is a strong premium for 5.0. Marder & Leo at 7.3. Best 9.x lineup in the game. Top notch 10.x as well.

Like, really, grind it and laugh, bro.

Oh, but if you insist on it, then don't use APCR, use APHEBC.


im sorry but are you serious? id so LOL
Torn_Apart 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 3:50 
引用自 kongol36
引用自 Qu Rahn
USSR sucks past 4.7, don't play it. In fact, I recommend you changing nations. Grind Germany.

I'm gonna be arrogant and say 'trust me': I grinded USSR to 11.0 before giving up, there is not a single BR past 4.7 where USSR has anything on pair with Germans. Maybe the T-44.

IS-1/2 series is inferior to Tigers and KTs. T-34s are inferior to Panthers. The TDs & Lights are just a bunch of meme vehicles. SPAA line is not comparable as well, the three Onions are leagues above other equallly BRed SPAA. Gepards >>>>>>>>>>>> ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥/Yenishits.

For your case, in particular, I suppose you're at 5.0/5.3 with the T-34-85s and IS-1.
T-34-85s vs Panthers is not even a comparison, you have less than 140 pen vs almost 200. You have to aim for very BS weakspots, they can one-shot you anywhere.

Germans are overpowered on 5.3 with the Tiger H1 and Panther D. On 3.3 You already have 140 pen. KV1C is a strong premium for 5.0. Marder & Leo at 7.3. Best 9.x lineup in the game. Top notch 10.x as well.

Like, really, grind it and laugh, bro.

Oh, but if you insist on it, then don't use APCR, use APHEBC.


im sorry but are you serious? id so LOL
Actualy, while i disagree with Qu on some topics, i do agree with him on most of the things he said here.
Couldnt comment on the very high tier stuff as i simply dont play it.
The Grand Inquisitor 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 4:51 
引用自 Something Wicked
引用自 kongol36


im sorry but are you serious? id so LOL
Actualy, while i disagree with Qu on some topics, i do agree with him on most of the things he said here.
Couldnt comment on the very high tier stuff as i simply dont play it.


Well what he said is true, the germans are undertiered and overpowered. they can lolpen everyone while to the others they say "just shoot weakspot" . But the fun starts with ussr again at 8.3 whre you get the firpower to pen them. a bit of suffering back on 9.7 when you dont have thermals, but 10.7+ is fun again.
When fighting germans your best bet is to use their arrogance and stupidity against them since they normally dont think and just rush without looking at their flanks. but yeah good luck and its acceptable to cry from 5.3-8.3
kongol36 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:02 
引用自 Something Wicked
引用自 kongol36


im sorry but are you serious? id so LOL
Actualy, while i disagree with Qu on some topics, i do agree with him on most of the things he said here.
Couldnt comment on the very high tier stuff as i simply dont play it.

IM sorry just the t 34 line alone proves this wrong but ok
Slyke 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:09 
Soviet tanks don't "suck" unless you compare them to German ones. German tanks are better and more pampered than anyone else so it's a pointless comparison. Soviets do have too few exceptional vehicles, but also very few horrible ones. I'd say Soviets are a golden standard of effectiveness, difficulty and balance. Not too good, not too difficult.

At the same time switching to Germany is not necessarily a great idea for a beginner. German tanks are not an automatic "win" button, they are fairly difficult to master. They are more powerful than anything else if you know what you're doing, but that hardly means much for average players (let alone average German players).
Torn_Apart 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:10 
引用自 kongol36
引用自 Something Wicked
Actualy, while i disagree with Qu on some topics, i do agree with him on most of the things he said here.
Couldnt comment on the very high tier stuff as i simply dont play it.

IM sorry just the t 34 line alone proves this wrong but ok
You will notice that Qu specifically said post 4.7 which means the t-34-85's in regards to your reply.
kongol36 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:26 
引用自 Something Wicked
引用自 kongol36

IM sorry just the t 34 line alone proves this wrong but ok
You will notice that Qu specifically said post 4.7 which means the t-34-85's in regards to your reply.

SOVIET TANKS are on par or better than most german ones except pen on guns... mobilty armor with slopes and usually better rounds as well far cheaper to repair etc
最後修改者:kongol36; 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:28
Torn_Apart 2021 年 8 月 27 日 上午 5:29 
引用自 kongol36
引用自 Something Wicked
You will notice that Qu specifically said post 4.7 which means the t-34-85's in regards to your reply.

SOVIET TANKS are on par or better than most german ones except pen on guns... mobilty armor with slopes and usually better rounds as well
I think you are going to find yourself disagreed with alot on this.
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