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DrDaft 29 DIC 2020 a las 10:52
Germany 6.3/7 unplayable
I must of missed that part in history class where germany faced off vs Cold war era tanks and jets no wonder they lost the war!

in all seriousness this BR for germany is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ borked like wow playing as them and vs them at this BR lost every game as germany won vs them every game ¬>¬
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Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 10:50 
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When I as a customer hear realism I surely do not only think about the damage model.
so does that mean you want your king tiger to break down before reaching the batllefield? or do you want it to get bombed? even better, do you want your crew to be barely trained hitler youth? Or would your final drive breaking suffice you? maybe run out of fuel before you go to batlle because of fuel shortages?

No, as I don't rely on an overexaggaration of clichees such as you do. You seem to have an anti-German mentality in general and lack the capability of talking about topics objectively.

Sad that everything you have said is simply wrong and pretty much the opposite of what historic sources talk about, Tiger crew barely trained hitler youth??? LMAO, stop watching disney channel please.

But I won't go in to this any further, your comment is completely out of context and just provocation.




Publicado originalmente por uɐɐılʎʇs:
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When I as a customer hear realism I surely do not only think about the damage model.
as a customer you didnt research the product either :-D

I did.

But I got the game many years ago when it was actually somewhat realistic and RB battles still had a realistic nation set up and such and cold war tanks did not even exist. Not my problem they completely change the game over the years and drift away from what they originally stood for, which was realism, accuracy and fun.


Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 10:53 
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Publicado originalmente por Tom:
so does that mean you want your king tiger to break down before reaching the batllefield? or do you want it to get bombed? even better, do you want your crew to be barely trained hitler youth? Or would your final drive breaking suffice you? maybe run out of fuel before you go to batlle because of fuel shortages?

No, as I don't rely on an overexaggaration of clichees such as you do. You seem to have an anti-German mentality in general and lack the capability of talking about topics objectively.

Sad that everything you have said is simply wrong and pretty much the opposite of what historic sources talk about, Tiger crew barely trained hitler youth??? LMAO, stop watching disney channel please.

But I won't go in to this any further, your comment is completely out of context and just provocation.




Publicado originalmente por uɐɐılʎʇs:
as a customer you didnt research the product either :-D

I did.

But I got the game many years ago when it was actually somewhat realistic and RB battles still had a realistic nation set up and such and cold war tanks did not even exist. Not my problem they completely change the game over the years and drift away from what they originally stood for, which was realism, accuracy and fun.
I don't, but that's how late War Germany was, you can't expect to get all the good sides of realism without the Bad stuff
uɐɐılʎʇs 30 DIC 2020 a las 10:56 
Publicado originalmente por Daygo:
Publicado originalmente por Tom:
so does that mean you want your king tiger to break down before reaching the batllefield? or do you want it to get bombed? even better, do you want your crew to be barely trained hitler youth? Or would your final drive breaking suffice you? maybe run out of fuel before you go to batlle because of fuel shortages?

No, as I don't rely on an overexaggaration of clichees such as you do. You seem to have an anti-German mentality in general and lack the capability of talking about topics objectively.

Sad that everything you have said is simply wrong and pretty much the opposite of what historic sources talk about, Tiger crew barely trained hitler youth??? LMAO, stop watching disney channel please.

But I won't go in to this any further, your comment is completely out of context and just provocation.




Publicado originalmente por uɐɐılʎʇs:
as a customer you didnt research the product either :-D

I did.

But I got the game many years ago when it was actually somewhat realistic and RB battles still had a realistic nation set up and such and cold war tanks did not even exist. Not my problem they completely change the game over the years and drift away from what they originally stood for, which was realism, accuracy and fun.

Air was around back then and had the same issue your complaining of now. Why would you expect tanks to be different
Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:03 
Publicado originalmente por Tom:
Publicado originalmente por Daygo:

No, as I don't rely on an overexaggaration of clichees such as you do. You seem to have an anti-German mentality in general and lack the capability of talking about topics objectively.

Sad that everything you have said is simply wrong and pretty much the opposite of what historic sources talk about, Tiger crew barely trained hitler youth??? LMAO, stop watching disney channel please.

But I won't go in to this any further, your comment is completely out of context and just provocation.






I did.

But I got the game many years ago when it was actually somewhat realistic and RB battles still had a realistic nation set up and such and cold war tanks did not even exist. Not my problem they completely change the game over the years and drift away from what they originally stood for, which was realism, accuracy and fun.
I don't, but that's how late War Germany was, you can't expect to get all the good sides of realism without the Bad stuff

Wrong. Late war Germany was not like this nor did all the tigers broke down before reaching frontlines. What a load of bullocks :))))



Publicado originalmente por uɐɐılʎʇs:
Publicado originalmente por Daygo:

No, as I don't rely on an overexaggaration of clichees such as you do. You seem to have an anti-German mentality in general and lack the capability of talking about topics objectively.

Sad that everything you have said is simply wrong and pretty much the opposite of what historic sources talk about, Tiger crew barely trained hitler youth??? LMAO, stop watching disney channel please.

But I won't go in to this any further, your comment is completely out of context and just provocation.






I did.

But I got the game many years ago when it was actually somewhat realistic and RB battles still had a realistic nation set up and such and cold war tanks did not even exist. Not my problem they completely change the game over the years and drift away from what they originally stood for, which was realism, accuracy and fun.

Air was around back then and had the same issue your complaining of now. Why would you expect tanks to be different

Kind of true, but I did not notice the issue with air that much, maybe I just played the " proper " nations ? LMAO
Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:06 
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Publicado originalmente por Tom:
I don't, but that's how late War Germany was, you can't expect to get all the good sides of realism without the Bad stuff

Wrong. Late war Germany was not like this nor did all the tigers broke down before reaching frontlines. What a load of bullocks :))))



Publicado originalmente por uɐɐılʎʇs:

Air was around back then and had the same issue your complaining of now. Why would you expect tanks to be different

Kind of true, but I did not notice the issue with air that much, maybe I just played the " proper " nations ? LMAO
Not all of them did, but a lot did, how about the Ferdinand catching fire if it climbs too steep a Hill?
Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:13 
Publicado originalmente por Tom:
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Wrong. Late war Germany was not like this nor did all the tigers broke down before reaching frontlines. What a load of bullocks :))))





Kind of true, but I did not notice the issue with air that much, maybe I just played the " proper " nations ? LMAO
Not all of them did, but a lot did, how about the Ferdinand catching fire if it climbs too steep a Hill?

Not a lot either. These incidents were reported but not as common as you claim it to be.

Sadly there are many hobby historians out there who think to know better without reading in to German sources and only rely on daily U.S news that tend to overexaggarate things and put down whatever was made or produced in Germany (and still is).

If you think you know, do your reading, currently I only see bias. Sounds comfortable to you doesn't it? But wasn't reality, sorry.

It's the same bias as French cars apparently breaking down a lot that most Europeans seem to claim. I drive French cars and non of them has broken down so far, in fact I am more than happy.
Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:16 
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Publicado originalmente por Tom:
Not all of them did, but a lot did, how about the Ferdinand catching fire if it climbs too steep a Hill?

Not a lot either. These incidents were reported but not as common as you claim it to be.

Sadly there are many hobby historians out there who think to know better without reading in to German sources and only rely on daily U.S news that tend to overexaggarate things and put down whatever was made or produced in Germany (and still is).

If you think you know, do your reading, currently I only see bias. Sounds comfortable to you doesn't it? But wasn't reality, sorry.

It's the same bias as French cars apparently breaking down a lot that most Europeans seem to claim. I drive French cars and non of them has broken down so far, in fact I am more than happy.
The Ferdinand catching fire from the Hill IS from German crews during the batlle of kursk, most German heavies were Lost to mechanical failure (also from the germans themselves)
Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:20 
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Not a lot either. These incidents were reported but not as common as you claim it to be.

Sadly there are many hobby historians out there who think to know better without reading in to German sources and only rely on daily U.S news that tend to overexaggarate things and put down whatever was made or produced in Germany (and still is).

If you think you know, do your reading, currently I only see bias. Sounds comfortable to you doesn't it? But wasn't reality, sorry.

It's the same bias as French cars apparently breaking down a lot that most Europeans seem to claim. I drive French cars and non of them has broken down so far, in fact I am more than happy.
The Ferdinand catching fire from the Hill IS from German crews during the batlle of kursk, most German heavies were Lost to mechanical failure (also from the germans themselves)

You talk about one incident with the Ferdinand. So what? This wasn't the only tank to catch fire challenging the engine too much. And the Ferdinand wasn't a tank anyway it was a tank destroyer, supposed to be used for defensive tactics.

And maybe, if they were lost to mechanical failure then this was because they were next to impossible to maintain on the frontlines, so they pushed their vehicles to over the limit while T34, Shermans and others could easily be field maintained.

Tigers and Panthers were still extremely reliable and far superior to all other allied tanks, even if you my French friend, can sleep better at night believing otherwise.

Every military historian who has focused on German technology will tell you that your claims are not true and I have seen your arguments soo many times..always the same out of context garbage. People going around and claim how unreliable German tanks were without comparing, without looking at the situation and without actually looking in to the killcount UNTIL they were left behind and abandoned.

It's always the same pattern.

But man, keep telling yourself this if you want that people who really have a clue laugh about you behind your back and your mind can sleep calmly at night, go for it. War is over anyway for now. I guess.

PS: I can find dozens of articles online even in English that claim otherwise and prove you wrong! Sometimes it does not hurt to actually research even the things you might not want to hear. THIS is what makes up an intelligent human.,
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Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:25 
Publicado originalmente por Daygo:
Publicado originalmente por Tom:
The Ferdinand catching fire from the Hill IS from German crews during the batlle of kursk, most German heavies were Lost to mechanical failure (also from the germans themselves)

You talk about one incident with the Ferdinand. So what? This wasn't the only tank to catch fire challenging the engine too much. And the Ferdinand wasn't a tank anyway it was a tank destroyer, supposed to be used for defensive tactics.

And maybe, if they were lost to mechanical failure then this was because they were next to impossible to maintain on the frontlines, so they pushed their vehicles to over the limit while T34, Shermans and others could easily be field maintained.

Tigers and Panthers were still extremely reliable and far superior to all other allied tanks, even if you my French friend, can sleep better at night believing otherwise.

Every military historian who has focused on German technology will tell you that your claims are not true and I have seen your arguments soo many times..always the same out of context garbage. People going around and claim how unreliable German tanks were without comparing, without looking at the situation and without actually looking in to the killcount UNTIL they were left behind and abandoned.

It's always the same pattern.

But man, keep telling yourself this if you want that people who really have a clue laugh about you behind your back and your mind can sleep calmly at night, go for it. War is over anyway for now. I guess.
Not one incident, the entire column caught fire, the Ferdinand was extremely underpowered? Early panthers weren't reliable, it got better but it Always had a reliability issue cause the transmission was désigned for 30 tons, they couldn't repair their tanks because by the Time they arrived to the front Germany was on the offensive, name your historians btw, saying German WW2 tanks were super reliable is wehraboos fantasy
Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:49 
Publicado originalmente por Tom:
Publicado originalmente por Daygo:

You talk about one incident with the Ferdinand. So what? This wasn't the only tank to catch fire challenging the engine too much. And the Ferdinand wasn't a tank anyway it was a tank destroyer, supposed to be used for defensive tactics.

And maybe, if they were lost to mechanical failure then this was because they were next to impossible to maintain on the frontlines, so they pushed their vehicles to over the limit while T34, Shermans and others could easily be field maintained.

Tigers and Panthers were still extremely reliable and far superior to all other allied tanks, even if you my French friend, can sleep better at night believing otherwise.

Every military historian who has focused on German technology will tell you that your claims are not true and I have seen your arguments soo many times..always the same out of context garbage. People going around and claim how unreliable German tanks were without comparing, without looking at the situation and without actually looking in to the killcount UNTIL they were left behind and abandoned.

It's always the same pattern.

But man, keep telling yourself this if you want that people who really have a clue laugh about you behind your back and your mind can sleep calmly at night, go for it. War is over anyway for now. I guess.
Not one incident, the entire column caught fire, the Ferdinand was extremely underpowered? Early panthers weren't reliable, it got better but it Always had a reliability issue cause the transmission was désigned for 30 tons, they couldn't repair their tanks because by the Time they arrived to the front Germany was on the offensive, name your historians btw, saying German WW2 tanks were super reliable is wehraboos fantasy

Give me a source please where an entire colum (whatever colum is in this context) caught fire based on an engine issue.

And the problem with the Ferdinand wasn't only the transmission, it was that the engine was too weak for the weight of the tank, hence it get overheated easier.

German tanks were superior in every single aspect, once again...look up some source.

I am done here, you are a Alliedaboo. You French people just have to accept that you are residing next to a sleeping gorilla that can get mad any day :D
Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 11:56 
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Not one incident, the entire column caught fire, the Ferdinand was extremely underpowered? Early panthers weren't reliable, it got better but it Always had a reliability issue cause the transmission was désigned for 30 tons, they couldn't repair their tanks because by the Time they arrived to the front Germany was on the offensive, name your historians btw, saying German WW2 tanks were super reliable is wehraboos fantasy

Give me a source please where an entire colum (whatever colum is in this context) caught fire based on an engine issue.

And the problem with the Ferdinand wasn't only the transmission, it was that the engine was too weak for the weight of the tank, hence it get overheated easier.

German tanks were superior in every single aspect, once again...look up some source.

I am done here, you are a Alliedaboo. You French people just have to accept that you are residing next to a sleeping gorilla that can get mad any day :D
I litterally play the German tree and if the germans are so superior why'd they lose the War? Their tanks were great but plagued by mechanical and logistical problems while not having air supériority, the Ferdinand account is told by a crew member during the batlle of kursk, look it up on YouTube you'll find it, you still haven't named historians and resorted to calling me an alliedboo
Pogey-Bait 30 DIC 2020 a las 12:04 
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Give me a source please where an entire colum (whatever colum is in this context) caught fire based on an engine issue.

And the problem with the Ferdinand wasn't only the transmission, it was that the engine was too weak for the weight of the tank, hence it get overheated easier.

German tanks were superior in every single aspect, once again...look up some source.

I am done here, you are a Alliedaboo. You French people just have to accept that you are residing next to a sleeping gorilla that can get mad any day :D
I litterally play the German tree and if the germans are so superior why'd they lose the War? Their tanks were great but plagued by mechanical and logistical problems while not having air supériority, the Ferdinand account is told by a crew member during the batlle of kursk, look it up on YouTube you'll find it, you still haven't named historians and resorted to calling me an alliedboo


They sure kicked France's ass anyway.
Tiberius 30 DIC 2020 a las 12:04 
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Publicado originalmente por Daygo:

Give me a source please where an entire colum (whatever colum is in this context) caught fire based on an engine issue.

And the problem with the Ferdinand wasn't only the transmission, it was that the engine was too weak for the weight of the tank, hence it get overheated easier.

German tanks were superior in every single aspect, once again...look up some source.

I am done here, you are a Alliedaboo. You French people just have to accept that you are residing next to a sleeping gorilla that can get mad any day :D
I litterally play the German tree and if the germans are so superior why'd they lose the War? Their tanks were great but plagued by mechanical and logistical problems while not having air supériority, the Ferdinand account is told by a crew member during the batlle of kursk, look it up on YouTube you'll find it, you still haven't named historians and resorted to calling me an alliedboo

Still no source to back up your ridiculous claims?

Germany lost the war because they were heavily outnumbered, surely not because of their technology. An other statement that can only come from someone who has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

Please kiddo, stick to CS:GO and stop trying to talk history and technology if all your knowledge is based on is the " Daily News " and some 16 yrs olds YouTube channels trying to boost their anti-German sentiment.

And it was you who started calling me a Wehraboo, what do you expect? Haven't you learnt what a " reaction " to your " action " is?

Cute.
Forums are full of individuals like you and I am really done discussing this, climb to my level then we can talk again at the same level of knowledge.
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Tom 30 DIC 2020 a las 12:14 
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I litterally play the German tree and if the germans are so superior why'd they lose the War? Their tanks were great but plagued by mechanical and logistical problems while not having air supériority, the Ferdinand account is told by a crew member during the batlle of kursk, look it up on YouTube you'll find it, you still haven't named historians and resorted to calling me an alliedboo

Still no source to back up your ridiculous claims?

Germany lost the war because they were heavily outnumbered, surely not because of their technology. An other statement that can only come from someone who has absolutely no clue what he is talking about.

Please kiddo, stick to CS:GO and stop trying to talk history and technology if all your knowledge is based on is the " Daily News " and some 16 yrs olds YouTube channels trying to boost their anti-German sentiment.

And it was you who started calling me a Wehraboo, what do you expect? Haven't you learnt what a " reaction " to your " action " is?

Cute.
Forums are full of individuals like you and I am really done discussing this, climb to my level then we can talk again at the same level of knowledge.
Germany was strategically beaten as far back as 1942 and was getting outmanoeuvered, you still don't want to name your sources because you haven't done ressearch and keep calling me a child, i'm gonna stop responding since you apparently can't hold a discussions without resorting to insult After being proven wrong
uɐɐılʎʇs 30 DIC 2020 a las 14:40 
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German tanks were superior in every single aspect, once again...look up some source.

That claim is just plainly wrong.
While they had some of the better guns and as they went on, amour that could take a beating while still being able to continue fighting better in ''every aspect'' is a joke.

It isnt just a case of reliability issue, of which many tanks and TDs did suffer breakdowns, but also a maintenance issue. As many of the components were a difficult task to replace easily.
Due to the sizes, towing wasnt always a viable option, aswell as many tanks etc unable to cross bridges due to their size/weight.

You also have to consider the situations each nation was in. While the sherman is always insulted as a tank, especially early variants, they were easy to repair/replace, had far easier maintenance, and also had to be shipped across. And continued to be upgraded in a way that many older parts may of still been compatible for newer models.
The us also had a massive production base.
Germany had no where near the same production capability or the supply of raw materials and yet invested what little they had into large unwieldy monsters of tanks that quite often never repayed their costs back in effective use with many never or barely making it into combat.

Inferior in speed of production, ease of maintenance, reliability especially in certain models, high consumption in fuel, too large for the most common recovery vehicles, and majorly lacking in numbers due to high production cost/lack of materials and industrial capabilities.
They just simply werent the tanks that matched the situation germany was starting to find itself in.

Now if they had the resources and a bit more time for development/testing and were able to produce them in larger numbers then they couldve come closer to being a game changer. But they didnt,
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