Why not DM63?

[Kozi]

Idk about you chief but imo germany suffers, 2a6 is nice addition but dm53 is too weak, give it dm63 so they can finally compete againt the blatantly overpowered T72B3 and T80U

/s

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

I wouldnt mind having the DM63, but i doubt gaijin will give that shell, also i think the DM53 in WT has the wrong values, i saw it yesterday with 634mm penetration at 10m, in real life DM53 i think has more penetration than that...
Maybe they will change the DM53 values when the final version comes to the game, we know alot of stuff on devserver usualy changes when it comes to the game.
I remember Lclerc when it arrived to the game with 525mm pen. and they boosted to 575mm...
Lets see what happens:)

[NapoleonBornToParty]

because if gaijin decided to introduce DM63, they have to introduce 3BM42M/46/59/60++ and make 2A46M-5 as strong as the one irl (NATO tanks have superior firepower up until 1.101), and there will be more complain from NATO babies about their imaginary hype "Russian bias"

[NapoleonBornToParty]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

the new T-90A has 3BM42M.

good, it's just matter of time before NATO babies yelling about russian bias while they have superior firepower since 1.87

[Albinomist™®©]

Dont see why the Leo 2A5 would need upgraded shells... its doing just fine with the ones it has...

[Kozi]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Napoleon BornToParty:

imaginary hype "Russian bias"

I guess we're imaging 75% winrates then.

oh ffs germany had that for months and nobody said a word but the second russia gets something everyone loses their mind.

[NapoleonBornToParty]

Originally posted by Mirage:

I guess we're imaging 75% winrates then.

(as a 9.3 USSR and 7.3 German player)
99% one shot kill from the side, lol gun dep, lol reverse speed, driver port always pen-able,479mm top round up to 1.101 while NATO (+japan) except british have a superior firepower
where is the "bIaS" ?

[Kay]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Originally posted by Napoleon BornToParty:

imaginary hype "Russian bias"

I guess we're imaging 75% winrates then.

Like the ones America had when the Abrams came out?
Or like the Germans had when the Leo 2A5 came out?

[Kozi]

Originally posted by Napoleon BornToParty:

Originally posted by Mirage:

I guess we're imaging 75% winrates then.

(as a 9.3 USSR and 7.3 German player)
99% one shot kill from the side, lol gun dep, lol reverse speed, driver port always pen-able,479mm top round up to 1.101 while NATO (+japan) except british have a superior firepower
where is the "bIaS" ?

The L26 actually has better perfomance than the mango against sloped armour.

[NapoleonBornToParty]

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

oh ffs germany had that for months and nobody said a word but the second russia gets something everyone loses their mind.

because they were just following the hype and making a 1 sided conclusion

tbh i think german will have highest win rate in 1.103

[Ninja Tuna]

Originally posted by Napoleon BornToParty:

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

the new T-90A has 3BM42M.

good, it's just matter of time before NATO babies yelling about russian bias while they have superior firepower since 1.87

When i watched mikegoesboom dev stream. the 2A6 had 600+ penetration. the new T-90 only had 540 penetration :c

[Kozi]

Originally posted by Napoleon BornToParty:

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

oh ffs germany had that for months and nobody said a word but the second russia gets something everyone loses their mind.

because they were just following the hype and making a 1 sided conclusion

tbh i think german will have highest win rate in 1.103

For sure, they and Sweden will dominate top tier like they did pre T72B3 addition.

[blazing-man255]

The Russian tanks themselves aren't overpowered it's the lineup they have. when all the other nations have at max 5 MBT's whilst the Russian's will now have not 7 not 8 but 9 mainline MBT's which allows them to spawn a monstrous amount of MBT's comparably to Nato lineups that is why people cry bias, and why I have had a issue with the Russian top tier lineup's. Gaijjn were told on many occasions not to add more russian MBT's until the Nato forces could recieve equal amounts of MBT's and level the playing field, yet they refused to listen or even acknowledge said points instead going ahead with this incomming update. there are many long term war thunder players who have been playing since 2012 that do not like where the current top tier meta is headed and yes people the 2a5 and the M1 Abrams were stupidly overpowered when introduced stop trying to say they were not it was painfully obvious. Also Russian mains stop trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes saying nothing is wrong it is very very clear it is not.

07 Fly Safe Pilot's

[Qu Rahn]

Originally posted by blazing-man255:

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Funny.
When it's Russia all the 9.x crap and even 8.x count as 'top tier capable'. When it's Germany/USA only the M1A2 and the 2A5 are top tier worthy.

I can't wait for Gaijin to add some T72s to Germany just to see all the whining, that the vehicle is underpowered and should be dropped to 6.3 because SuFfErInG.

[blazing-man255]

Originally posted by Qu Rahn:

Originally posted by blazing-man255:

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Funny.
When it's Russia all the 9.x crap and even 8.x count as 'top tier capable'. When it's Germany/USA only the M1A2 and the 2A5 are top tier worthy.

I can't wait for Gaijin to add some T72s to Germany just to see all the whining, that the vehicle is underpowered and should be dropped to 6.3 because SuFfErInG.

.... you do realise its not just the m1a1 and m1a2 along with the 2a4 and 2a5 right

top tier capable mbts by nation
Germany: Leo2k, Leo 2a4, Leo2a5. = 3
Usa: M1 Abrams, iPM1 Abrams, M1A1 Abrams M1A2 Abrams = 4
Britian: Challenger mk2, Challenger mk3, Challenger 2, Challenger 2 (F), Vickers MK7 = 5
Italy: Ariete (P), Ariete, Ariete PSO = 3
Japan: Type 90, Type 90B = 2
France: AMX40 (arguable), Leclerc = 1, 2 if you count the amx40 which i do not
China: ZTZ96A, ZTZ96 = 2
Sweden: STRV121, STRV122 = 2
Russia: T64A (arguable tho i have done very well it it as a backup to my main lineup)
T64B, T80B, T80U, T72A, T72Bs x2, T72b3 = 7 MBT's if you dont count the T64A
which I do

this is all Pre patch and we have yet to see if there are more mbts bieng added for other nations besides france, germany and russia. If you cant see the Blatant inconsistency then I don't know where your looking. Russia will be getting the T90 bringing it up to a grand total of 9 mainline MBT's. and the simple fact your using a very old and ridiculous comment as "Oh but they SuFfEr is pretty low. Its funny how when players complain about a obvious discrepancy most players don't see it or simply don't care its very frustrating watching this community degrade to this point over the 8 years I have been a part of it. I know there are plenty of people who care about the balance off all nations and don't take one specific nations side.

07 Fly Safe Pilot's

[blazing-man255]

Also like i said previously the Russian tanks aren't great but nor are they bad they are All around MBT's they aren't overpowered but nor are they underpowered its the fact you have to kill most players upwards of 6-7 times before they quit the battle if they would limit MBT spawns to 3 then it wouldn't be an issue at all for any nation