A little love to the American SPAA tree?

[eviloldskool]

With the massive gap in the US SPAA line I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking the Canadian Skink Grizzly would be a fitting fill in around 3.7 - 4.0

[XtremeL1ghtn1ng]

All hail the Skink

[Labdog]

Have you even seen the chinese spaa line?

[biomike]

Originally posted by redned:

Originally posted by Dog Barf:

Have you even seen the chinese spaa line?

yeah forgot about them nothing at low BR or high BR.

they are getting a low BR one this patch with a knockoff m16.

[eviloldskool]

Originally posted by redned:

you think USA has SPAA problems.
UK and USSR both have a gap from 4.3-7.7 and for both the 4.3 is mediocre at best.
France is similar with a gap from 4.7-8.0.
Italy with 4.0-8.0. though the R3 is really good.


you won't even be fixing any problems just jamming more into a space that has no need to be filled.
would be a great addition to game but not needed when compared to other nations

The US SPAA line is the only nation to not have a fast firing AA with HE shells at low tier, for that matter there isn't an SPAA with high ROF and HE shells for the US line until 8.0. The Duster and M19 aren't bad, but it's frustrating as hell when your ROF is so slow that you can be right on target and aircraft can fly between salvos regularly.

[Shard]

Originally posted by Dog Barf:

Have you even seen the chinese spaa line?

Originally posted by redned:

you think USA has SPAA problems.
UK and USSR both have a gap from 4.3-7.7 and for both the 4.3 is mediocre at best.
France is similar with a gap from 4.7-8.0.
Italy with 4.0-8.0. though the R3 is really good.

What is it always with "well xxx is worse off!" Doesn't really solve any issue.

Yeah, Italy isn't a huge problem. The R3 still lasers things out of the sky at 6.7, even if there are more aircraft actually capable of killing it themselves (at great risk).

I see no reason as to why the Skink couldn't just be handed out to both Britain and the USA. To the USA because it's built on the basis of a Sherman and to Britain because Canada is part of the Commonwealth. Both nations are always guaranteed to be on the same team, so that would at least give the allies a well-armoured SPAA with good armament instead of the joke that is Crusader AA Mk.1 and the two American "Ammunition Explosion"- M19 and M42.

[Aegis270]

The Skink should be in the British line. They need it badly, and it was a Canadian modification.

The Americans can have the T77E1 (https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/435905-the-t77-aa-chaffee/) for the same role. While the Skink is better armored, they both have resistance to aircraft guns and significant AA firepower. The T77 would be faster, and could even be given scouting as a bonus. Plus, if they implemented it properly, the T77E1 would have two gunners, making it much harder to knock out with 30mm HVAP.

Then the Soviets get some ZSU-23 armed vehicle (Like http://www.military-today.com/artillery/btr_zd.htm).

And give the Japanese the Ta-Ha (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/6a2l6i/taha_spaag_high_penetrating/)

[eviloldskool]

Originally posted by Aegis270:

The Skink should be in the British line. They need it badly, and it was a Canadian modification.

The Americans can have the T77E1 (https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/435905-the-t77-aa-chaffee/) for the same role. While the Skink is better armored, they both have resistance to aircraft guns and significant AA firepower. The T77 would be faster, and could even be given scouting as a bonus. Plus, if they implemented it properly, the T77E1 would have two gunners, making it much harder to knock out with 30mm HVAP.

Then the Soviets get some ZSU-23 armed vehicle (Like http://www.military-today.com/artillery/btr_zd.htm).

And give the Japanese the Ta-Ha (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/6a2l6i/taha_spaag_high_penetrating/)

The issue I have with the T77 is again no HE type round. Once again your praying to RNGesus that a .50 hits something vital. the US is the only nation that has no SPAA with high ROF and an HE projectile at low to mid BR. I wouldn't mind it being added to both the Brits and USA. But US SPAA suffers between 3.0 and 8.0

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by eviloldskool:

The issue I have with the T77 is again no HE type round. Once again your praying to RNGesus that a .50 hits something vital. the US is the only nation that has no SPAA with high ROF and an HE projectile at low to mid BR. I wouldn't mind it being added to both the Brits and USA. But US SPAA suffers between 3.0 and 8.0

And brits have no HE in a lot of their main shells for many tanks, germany has better guns at a lot of BRs etc.
Different nations had a different focus on design.

Id love if axis had far better CAS options like half the US fighters/attackers.

Got no issue with Skink being added, but should only be in the Brit tree. Youll have to find another AA that the US actually used, or some docs on HE ammo being used.

[[MadTs] Phyrys]

To be honest, I'm far more afraid of british SPAA than germans ones. The main thing is : British generally knows how to aim a plane with their thing where a Wibel, while destructive, is almost used as an antitank and whenever they try to shoot a plane, they only know how to do a barrage.

[Aegis270]

Originally posted by eviloldskool:

Originally posted by Aegis270:

The Skink should be in the British line. They need it badly, and it was a Canadian modification.

The Americans can have the T77E1 (https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/435905-the-t77-aa-chaffee/) for the same role. While the Skink is better armored, they both have resistance to aircraft guns and significant AA firepower. The T77 would be faster, and could even be given scouting as a bonus. Plus, if they implemented it properly, the T77E1 would have two gunners, making it much harder to knock out with 30mm HVAP.

Then the Soviets get some ZSU-23 armed vehicle (Like http://www.military-today.com/artillery/btr_zd.htm).

And give the Japanese the Ta-Ha (https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/6a2l6i/taha_spaag_high_penetrating/)

The issue I have with the T77 is again no HE type round. Once again your praying to RNGesus that a .50 hits something vital. the US is the only nation that has no SPAA with high ROF and an HE projectile at low to mid BR. I wouldn't mind it being added to both the Brits and USA. But US SPAA suffers between 3.0 and 8.0

6 .50 cals all with close mounting would put up a wall of fire that practically guarantees something useful being hit. The burst mass is pretty similar. Even beyond that, the full AP-IT belts burn things down with ease.

The only issue it'll have it range, since .50s don't reach very far. That being said, this is a trait shared by most 20mm guns, so not worth much thought.

Adding the M77E1 allows both American and British lines to get a useful and unique SPAA at the tier.

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Aegis270:

. That being said, this is a trait shared by most 20mm guns, so not worth much thought.

Adding the M77E1 allows both American and British lines to get a useful and unique SPAA at the tier.

Except it shouldnt be in US tree. Canadian = commonwealth = Brit. And only 3 made so not like a hugely common vehicle.

[Aegis270]

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

Originally posted by Aegis270:

. That being said, this is a trait shared by most 20mm guns, so not worth much thought.

Adding the M77E1 allows both American and British lines to get a useful and unique SPAA at the tier.

Except it shouldnt be in US tree. Canadian = commonwealth = Brit. And only 3 made so not like a hugely common vehicle.

I meant the US gets the M77E1 and the British get the Skink, both in and around 4.0. Two different, unique and useful SPAAs, rather than giving both the Skink as suggested further up.

[eviloldskool]

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

Originally posted by eviloldskool:

The issue I have with the T77 is again no HE type round. Once again your praying to RNGesus that a .50 hits something vital. the US is the only nation that has no SPAA with high ROF and an HE projectile at low to mid BR. I wouldn't mind it being added to both the Brits and USA. But US SPAA suffers between 3.0 and 8.0

And brits have no HE in a lot of their main shells for many tanks, germany has better guns at a lot of BRs etc.
Different nations had a different focus on design.

Id love if axis had far better CAS options like half the US fighters/attackers.

Got no issue with Skink being added, but should only be in the Brit tree. Youll have to find another AA that the US actually used, or some docs on HE ammo being used.

The Brits have an SPAA that has high ROF and HE shell at 2.7 and 3.7

[burg4401]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/5971-qa-answers-from-the-developers-en

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by eviloldskool:

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

And brits have no HE in a lot of their main shells for many tanks, germany has better guns at a lot of BRs etc.
Different nations had a different focus on design.

Id love if axis had far better CAS options like half the US fighters/attackers.

Got no issue with Skink being added, but should only be in the Brit tree. Youll have to find another AA that the US actually used, or some docs on HE ammo being used.

The Brits have an SPAA that has high ROF and HE shell at 2.7 and 3.7

Whats your point. Tanks get put in the most appropriate nation, not in a nation that needs a certain type of vehicle. Although there are some arguements over where certain tanks go that dont have an obvious nation. The skink on the other hand has an obvious tree to be in.