French 6.7 underwhelming

[Garudazeno]

I mean, the tanks are hardly faster than meds from other nations, the cannons are mediocre with mediocre shells, they have no armor, and are somehow supposed to compete with Tiger 2's? I wish they never raised the BR on these vehicles, they are atrocious.

[Nenne.]

Sometimes Gajin do follow history correctly..
wish they could do that over the whole game.and not just France.

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Nenne.:

Sometimes Gajin do follow history correctly..
wish they could do that over the whole game.and not just France.

True I guess, but it doesn't make the game any fun to play as France.

[Nevu]

seriously? 6.7 is one of the best lineups you can get as France.

> the cannons are mediocre with mediocre shells

100mm with ~6s reload isn't mediocre at all. The shells tend to troll and are solid shot, but they definitely work. Besides, what shells do not troll with volumetric nowadays?

> they have no armor

Having no armor is something you should definitely be prepared for if you play France. Some medium tanks like the M4 and 50 actually have pretty respectable upper front plates that can bait shots from Panthers, but don't count on it.

> are somehow supposed to compete with Tiger 2's

Just hit the turret and watch it explode. You're supposed to be flanking at 6.7 France because that is their playstyle at that BR. The tanks are rather fast and well suited for that purpose. Even the large AMX M4 is quite zippy even when stock! You flank and use the quick reload to your advantage to just delete enemies at a quick rate. When you do see a Tiger 2 side on, hit the back of the turret and you'll 1 shot it 100% because there's ammo rack there. In a pinch, the AML-90 can frontally pen the Tiger 2 with the HEAT pretty easily.

For a tank lineup, I'd personally recommend this - AMX 13, AML-90, AMX M4, Char 25t. And then of course, planes of your choice.

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Nevu the Great:

seriously? 6.7 is one of the best lineups you can get as France.

> the cannons are mediocre with mediocre shells

100mm with ~6s reload isn't mediocre at all. The shells tend to troll and are solid shot, but they definitely work. Besides, what shells do not troll with volumetric nowadays?

> they have no armor

Having no armor is something you should definitely be prepared for if you play France. Some medium tanks like the M4 and 50 actually have pretty respectable upper front plates that can bait shots from Panthers, but don't count on it.

> are somehow supposed to compete with Tiger 2's

Just hit the turret and watch it explode. You're supposed to be flanking at 6.7 France because that is their playstyle at that BR. The tanks are rather fast and well suited for that purpose. Even the large AMX M4 is quite zippy even when stock! You flank and use the quick reload to your advantage to just delete enemies at a quick rate. When you do see a Tiger 2 side on, hit the back of the turret and you'll 1 shot it 100% because there's ammo rack there. In a pinch, the AML-90 can frontally pen the Tiger 2 with the HEAT pretty easily.

For a tank lineup, I'd personally recommend this - AMX 13, AML-90, AMX M4, Char 25t. And then of course, planes of your choice.

Thank you for your detailed response, but I don't agree with your points.

> the cannons are mediocre with mediocre shells

100mm doesn't mean anything, the penetration is subpar compared to contemporary tanks and the post penetration is subpar too because blunt capped no HE filler shells. You have to be lucky with a quick (non aimed) shot to disable enough modules or crew for the opposing tank to not fire back. The autoloader is nice but it is a tradeoff because of the VERY LONG autoloader reloading time. In World of Tanks it reloads the entire magazine but in this game each individual shell can take like 15 seconds to completely reload, that's terrible. I'm not saying the cannon or shells are bad, but they are when compared to similar tanks at its BR.

> are somehow supposed to compete with Tiger 2's

Yes I know they are flanking tanks, but to be fair the amx m4 and to a lesser extent the char 25t are hardly faster than contemporary mediums and lights. If the entire design is a glass cannon, they have to be a lot faster to compensate for the medicore cannon and speed. These tanks would work a lot better at a lower BR like 6.3 or even 6.0 like before the nerfs.

The BR nerfs hit these tanks too hard IMO, especially on arcade where a king tiger will snipe you from 1.5km away while your return shots do absolutely nothing. Don't just take it from me, the arcade winrates for these tanks are around 51%, compared to the KT's 59% or Panther II's 55%or even Centurions mk3 61%.

[Garudazeno]

Yeah repair costs are high, but they aren't as bad as they used to be. KT has higher repair cost than the amx m4. For some reason char 25t has higher rep costs than the lorraine 40t, which makes 0 sense. Snail logic I guess

[seashell]

and most other countries get the nicer us lend lease tanks where france couldn't even get a copy of chaffee for indochina memes

[highfivingbears]

Originally posted by bottle:

and most other countries get the nicer us lend lease tanks where france couldn't even get a copy of chaffee for indochina memes

France has the M24. It also has an utterly horrifying premium with the chassis of an AMX-13 and the turret of a Chaffee slapped on. An ugly son-of-a-gun if I've ever seen one.

[OcGuy]

Originally posted by highfivingbears:

Originally posted by bottle:

and most other countries get the nicer us lend lease tanks where france couldn't even get a copy of chaffee for indochina memes

France has the M24. It also has an utterly horrifying premium with the chassis of an AMX-13 and the turret of a Chaffee slapped on. An ugly son-of-a-gun if I've ever seen one.

and yet it lacks the stabilizer :pensive:

[highfivingbears]

Originally posted by OcGuy:

Originally posted by highfivingbears:

France has the M24. It also has an utterly horrifying premium with the chassis of an AMX-13 and the turret of a Chaffee slapped on. An ugly son-of-a-gun if I've ever seen one.

and yet it lacks the stabilizer :pensive:

It's pretty common for export tanks to not have all the features of the actual tank, or to be downgraded in some form. Either that, or the M24 in the US tree is a late production model with a STAB, and the French export version is an early production that doesn't have it.

[Agezak]

The 6.7 french tanks are pretty good, but need a bit of strategy and getting used to in arcade since you can't flank as easily in AB. That being said, Tiger II are some of the toughest opponents for them since you lack APHE shells. Your solid shots can still do a lot of damage and easily one shot if you can get a shell through the center of mass of your opponent (which again, you can't on the tiger II but it works on plenty others).

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Agezak:

The 6.7 french tanks are pretty good, but need a bit of strategy and getting used to in arcade since you can't flank as easily in AB. That being said, Tiger II are some of the toughest opponents for them since you lack APHE shells. Your solid shots can still do a lot of damage and easily one shot if you can get a shell through the center of mass of your opponent (which again, you can't on the tiger II but it works on plenty others).

I think you just got to the core issue, flanking is very hard in arcade and it shows in the winrates. RB winrates are really high but AB are really low. Would be fun if they added a stabilizer for these designs but just for arcade.Wonder if that would make them more up to par.

[Nevu]

Originally posted by Inquisitor Chungus:

Originally posted by Agezak:

The 6.7 french tanks are pretty good, but need a bit of strategy and getting used to in arcade since you can't flank as easily in AB. That being said, Tiger II are some of the toughest opponents for them since you lack APHE shells. Your solid shots can still do a lot of damage and easily one shot if you can get a shell through the center of mass of your opponent (which again, you can't on the tiger II but it works on plenty others).

I think you just got to the core issue, flanking is very hard in arcade and it shows in the winrates. RB winrates are really high but AB are really low. Would be fun if they added a stabilizer for these designs but just for arcade.Wonder if that would make them more up to par.

You're playing Arcade? There's your problem. French tanks are pretty challenging to play on AB with all the markers, flanking is near impossible. Not making fun of you for playing AB or anything as it's fun to just hop in and shoot tanks, but some nations struggle *a lot* when it comes to AB.

[highfivingbears]

Originally posted by Nevu the Great:

Originally posted by Inquisitor Chungus:

I think you just got to the core issue, flanking is very hard in arcade and it shows in the winrates. RB winrates are really high but AB are really low. Would be fun if they added a stabilizer for these designs but just for arcade.Wonder if that would make them more up to par.

You're playing Arcade? There's your problem. French tanks are pretty challenging to play on AB with all the markers, flanking is near impossible. Not making fun of you for playing AB or anything as it's fun to just hop in and shoot tanks, but some nations struggle *a lot* when it comes to AB.

AB does have a very specific meta. Flanking only works to a degree, really, and light tanks don't have much use except in the hands of a very skilled player. The scouting ability is also basically useless in AB. The main thing they have going for them in the AB meta is their speed, to go and rush points. Other than that, they're generally very hard to play.

This makes me think I'll have to play my stock M41A1 in RB instead of AB. I can't do jack in that thing in AB!

[Agezak]

Originally posted by highfivingbears:

Originally posted by Nevu the Great:

You're playing Arcade? There's your problem. French tanks are pretty challenging to play on AB with all the markers, flanking is near impossible. Not making fun of you for playing AB or anything as it's fun to just hop in and shoot tanks, but some nations struggle *a lot* when it comes to AB.

AB does have a very specific meta. Flanking only works to a degree, really, and light tanks don't have much use except in the hands of a very skilled player. The scouting ability is also basically useless in AB. The main thing they have going for them in the AB meta is their speed, to go and rush points. Other than that, they're generally very hard to play.

This makes me think I'll have to play my stock M41A1 in RB instead of AB. I can't do jack in that thing in AB!

Indeed they are quite harder to use in AB compared to RB. Still I would say the rapid reloading thanks to autoloaders (with the added bonus of no reload speed penalty if the loader is killed) can be used to ones advantage even in AB. It can help a lot to shoot that second shot so fast.