The frontal plate of an soviet T 34 bounced the sabot of an english FV4202

[Enea_Sicael]

still have sense play this game?

[OcGuy]

T-34's front plate is angled to 60 degrees, check your shell penetration value at the said angle.

[Pozieres]

Vshells are clearly somewhat broken and people don't need to keep making the same post about it over and over again. We get it, you are havign tantrum over it

[HauptmannTinus]

Gustavo původně napsal:

OcGuy původně napsal:

T-34's front plate is angled to 60 degrees, check your shell penetration value at the said angle.

For a Sabot from a FV4202 at 500m the 60 degree pen is still 100mm. Even at 2km its still 76mm at 60 degrees.

Just had a quick look on the protection analysis and apart from a part of the mantlet and the drivers hatch theres no where a T-34 should bounce a FV4202's Sabot.

Its most likely just voloumetric being voloumetric and not working properly.

This, volumetric shells is bulltshit.
Especially T34 and IS series with the weird armor modelling its bad.

Stupid trolls that say l2aim should shut up.

[piddlefoot]

I dont care either way to be clear, but on wiki this is an interesting read.

Prior to the invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II, the German armed forces were not aware of two newly developed Soviet tanks, the T-34 and the KV. As a result, they were surprised when they met them in combat for the first time in June 1941. The Germans' standard anti-tank weapons were found to be ineffective against these new Soviet vehicles. This experience prompted a notable leap in tank development in Nazi Germany, mainly in an effort to counter these new threats.

By 22 June 1941, the Red Army deployed almost 1,000 T-34 and over 500 KV tanks,[1] concentrated in five[2] of their twenty-nine mechanized corps. By the end of December 1941, they had lost 2,300 T-34 and over 900 KV tanks, accounting for 15% of the 20,500 tanks lost that year.

[HansGruber]

piddlefoot původně napsal:

I dont care either way to be clear, but on wiki this is an interesting read.

Prior to the invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II, the German armed forces were not aware of two newly developed Soviet tanks, the T-34 and the KV. As a result, they were surprised when they met them in combat for the first time in June 1941. The Germans' standard anti-tank weapons were found to be ineffective against these new Soviet vehicles. This experience prompted a notable leap in tank development in Nazi Germany, mainly in an effort to counter these new threats.

By 22 June 1941, the Red Army deployed almost 1,000 T-34 and over 500 KV tanks,[1] concentrated in five[2] of their twenty-nine mechanized corps. By the end of December 1941, they had lost 2,300 T-34 and over 900 KV tanks, accounting for 15% of the 20,500 tanks lost that year.

Yup.

The Panzer II's 20mm was totally ineffective against the T-34 and KV-1. Perhaps theoretically it could score kill shots with the 20mm Pzgr.40, but there was never enough of that to go around, they never got close enough, etc.

The 37mm on the Panzer III, the 38t, the 37mm Pak36 AT gun, was totally worthless.

The short 50mm L/42 was totally worthless.

The short 75mm L/24 was totally worthless unless firing HEAT, and even then it wasn't a good option.

The 50mm L/60 was only marginally effective, and even then you had to target the weaker points in the armor. That one seems to be modeled relatively accurately. Sometimes it bounces, sometimes it doesn't get a clean penetration, but when I get shots at the right spots, it usually kills.

The 75mm L/43,L/46,L/48 seem to be more bouncy than they should.

The 88mm L/56 seems to be bouncing FAAARR more often than it should...

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

It was moving, while you took a shot to it?

[piddlefoot]

Yea like I said, I dont really know, Im not a tank guy, Im a plane tw_t, so I cant really argue to any real effect in this topic I just found it strange so many upset about the T34 when its history is actually pretty impressive for its day.
But you know, I dont play tanks so Im not having a go at any of your beliefs here, I just found it odd that history actually supports the T34 being a bit tougher than expected and some of the reactions on the forum, I imagine the German chumps in them tanks at the time, dealing with real stress attached to the fact they cant believe what they just saw !



German tank commander in battle in WW2........

''OMFG did that just bounce off ! ''

''Shizzler get this tank the fekkik out of here now ! ''



BOOOM to late.....

[McDonald's Milkshake]

and gow can m22 survive 5 130mm?

[HansGruber]

piddlefoot původně napsal:

I just found it odd that history actually supports the T34 being a bit tougher than expected and some of the reactions on the forum, I imagine the German chumps in them tanks at the time, dealing with real stress attached to the fact they cant believe what they just saw !

History supports that the T-34 was essentially invincible when being fired on with the 37mm KwK 36, 37mm Pak 36, the 47mm PaK 38(t). Any kill shot with those would be pure luck. History supports that the 20mm guns were also useless since there basically wasn't any Pzgr.40 from them, unlike War Thunder where they have an unlimited supply.

History supports that the T-34 was tough when it was being shot by guns like the 50mm KwK38 L/42, a gun with roughly 55mm of penetration with regular APHE shells, and 94mm with Pzgr.40. It's basically not effective against the T-34 unless you can sneak up behind it and stick the barrel in a weak point.

The longer 50mm L/60, which had both a longer barrel and a more powerful round, could barely get through particularly vulnerable points on the front from short range.

History does NOT accurately support the T-34 being tough to crack with the the 75mm KwK40 or it's variants, let alone the 88mm Kwk36, a gun with more penetration at 2000 meters than the 50mm L/42 had at the muzzle!

[kamikazi21358]

Honestly though, I personally don't have this problem. Yeah back before overmatch and stuff Russia was insane. But I don't have problems penetrating the T-34 with 7.5cm L/43+ guns and 8.8cm guns, unless
> Meme hatch
> terrible angle on the turret
> hit some weird angle
> just getting Gaijin'd and the shell doesn't hit the tank at all
> edge of plates/volumetric took over

[HansGruber]

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

> edge of plates

I get PLENTY of bounces on what should be valid hits with the L/43, plus the meme hatch magic glass, etc...

Edge of plates might actually be valid though. After all, if you strike the front hull at the edge of the front hull plate, it has an essentially "infinite" amount of side armor to penetrate, which may either steer the shell into the tank, or out of the tank, depending on the angle, etc.

[Haze]

A track of a Abrams just ate my 480mm penn sovjet apfsds, happend multiple times this week :0 Internet is fine 1gbps.

Shot was from the side of the tank, a second shot was a ez finish tho.

[Egro]

Gustavo původně napsal:

OcGuy původně napsal:

T-34's front plate is angled to 60 degrees, check your shell penetration value at the said angle.

For a Sabot from a FV4202 at 500m the 60 degree pen is still 100mm. Even at 2km its still 76mm at 60 degrees.

Just had a quick look on the protection analysis and apart from a part of the mantlet and the drivers hatch theres no where a T-34 should bounce a FV4202's Sabot.

Its most likely just voloumetric being voloumetric and not working properly.

What's screwing you over is the ricochet change, not really the pen value. If you hit the T34 at an extreme angle above 75 degree you will have some where near the 50% ricochet change, totally unrealistic but that WT for you.

[piddlefoot]

Major Hans původně napsal:

piddlefoot původně napsal:

I just found it odd that history actually supports the T34 being a bit tougher than expected and some of the reactions on the forum, I imagine the German chumps in them tanks at the time, dealing with real stress attached to the fact they cant believe what they just saw !

History supports that the T-34 was essentially invincible when being fired on with the 37mm KwK 36, 37mm Pak 36, the 47mm PaK 38(t). Any kill shot with those would be pure luck. History supports that the 20mm guns were also useless since there basically wasn't any Pzgr.40 from them, unlike War Thunder where they have an unlimited supply.

History supports that the T-34 was tough when it was being shot by guns like the 50mm KwK38 L/42, a gun with roughly 55mm of penetration with regular APHE shells, and 94mm with Pzgr.40. It's basically not effective against the T-34 unless you can sneak up behind it and stick the barrel in a weak point.

The longer 50mm L/60, which had both a longer barrel and a more powerful round, could barely get through particularly vulnerable points on the front from short range.

History does NOT accurately support the T-34 being tough to crack with the the 75mm KwK40 or it's variants, let alone the 88mm Kwk36, a gun with more penetration at 2000 meters than the 50mm L/42 had at the muzzle!

Most interesting dude cheers !

[michaelthered]

if the OP thinks t34's are bad, wait till he gets to 10.0 and has to deal with t72's and 80's.