AS-20 NORDS vs other AGMs at the equivalent BR.

[hsf_]

This is quite funny. The discrepancy between some of the AGMs at BR 8.3-9.3 is HUGE!

AGM-12B Bullpup - 58.05 kg explosive mass
AS-20 Nord - 15.85 kg explosive mass
Kh-23M - 96 kg explosive mass
AS-30 Nord - 115.28 kg explosive mass
Rb05A - 76.8 kg explosive mass

Now I'm a CAS player and realise that AS-20 Nord which are founds on the G.91 R/4 needed to have some kind of nerf, due to how over used they were. However, we're now seeing A-4Es(which have 5 AGM-12B Bullpup) en masse and it's not fixed the problem, just shifted it to a different aircraft.

Perhaps buffing the AS-20 Nord to around 25 kg explosive mass and bringing the rest down to a similar level, would bring a lot more balance to CAS at this BR.

[biomike]

You do know the amount of explosive is based on the real weapons, its not like the other game were the buff and nerf what they want

[hsf_]

Originally posted by biomike:

You do know the amount of explosive is based on the real weapons, its not like the other game were the buff and nerf what they want

With respect, the AS-20 Nord had 29.9 kg of explosive mass in February 2020. Evidenced in this video at 9:45.

[su]

Originally posted by hsf_:

This is quite funny. The discrepancy between some of the AGMs at BR 8.3-9.3 is HUGE!

AGM-12B Bullpup - 58.05 kg explosive mass
AS-20 Nord - 15.85 kg explosive mass
Kh-23M - 96 kg explosive mass
AS-30 Nord - 115.28 kg explosive mass
Rb05A - 76.8 kg explosive mass

Now I'm a CAS player and realise that AS-20 Nord which are founds on the G.91 R/4 needed to have some kind of nerf, due to how over used they were. However, we're now seeing A-4Es(which have 5 AGM-12B Bullpup) en masse and it's not fixed the problem, just shifted it to a different aircraft.

Perhaps buffing the AS-20 Nord to around 25 kg explosive mass and bringing the rest down to a similar level, would bring a lot more balance to CAS at this BR.

GOOD this makes me very happy to hear the germans FINALLY get a nerf!

[KokkoJustus]

Originally posted by su:

Originally posted by hsf_:

This is quite funny. The discrepancy between some of the AGMs at BR 8.3-9.3 is HUGE!

AGM-12B Bullpup - 58.05 kg explosive mass
AS-20 Nord - 15.85 kg explosive mass
Kh-23M - 96 kg explosive mass
AS-30 Nord - 115.28 kg explosive mass
Rb05A - 76.8 kg explosive mass

Now I'm a CAS player and realise that AS-20 Nord which are founds on the G.91 R/4 needed to have some kind of nerf, due to how over used they were. However, we're now seeing A-4Es(which have 5 AGM-12B Bullpup) en masse and it's not fixed the problem, just shifted it to a different aircraft.

Perhaps buffing the AS-20 Nord to around 25 kg explosive mass and bringing the rest down to a similar level, would bring a lot more balance to CAS at this BR.

GOOD this makes me very happy to hear the germans FINALLY get a nerf!

Its also the Italy that got The Nerf, Even More than germany,

[su]

Originally posted by KokkoJustus:

Originally posted by su:

GOOD this makes me very happy to hear the germans FINALLY get a nerf!

Its also the Italy that got The Nerf, Even More than germany,

dont rly care, any nerf is a good nerf if it includes germany

[hsf_]

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

[Neckstabba]

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

Its because germany suffers. Germany needs good AS-20 Nords, Leo A7V and Puma. :) The snail should give germany more love...

[biomike]

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

the mass of the nords changed because people put in reports with sources that showed it was wrong, they dont just change them just because

[hsf_]

Originally posted by biomike:

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

the mass of the nords changed because people put in reports with sources that showed it was wrong, they dont just change them just because

But the warhead weight is 33 kg in real life...

[biomike]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by biomike:

the mass of the nords changed because people put in reports with sources that showed it was wrong, they dont just change them just because

But the warhead weight is 33 kg in real life...

Well then if you have some sources that show that is wrong you should sent them a bug report

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

Maybe go back to reserves with china and practice with there bi-plane rockets then switch back to the nords, I find it helps for getting practice for better, more precise aim which can make the rockets more effective, especially with low pen and low HE rockets.

They lowered the rockets because people were getting kills with them more often so now you will need to learn to make them effective again.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

Maybe go back to reserves with china and practice with there bi-plane rockets then switch back to the nords, I find it helps for getting practice for better, more precise aim which can make the rockets more effective, especially with low pen and low HE rockets.

They lowered the rockets because people were getting kills with them more often so now you will need to learn to make them effective again.

I don't need to practice with anything, I'm already good enough with the AGM's as it is. I'm saying the others should be brought down to a similar level.

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by hsf_:

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Maybe go back to reserves with china and practice with there bi-plane rockets then switch back to the nords, I find it helps for getting practice for better, more precise aim which can make the rockets more effective, especially with low pen and low HE rockets.

They lowered the rockets because people were getting kills with them more often so now you will need to learn to make them effective again.

I don't need to practice with anything, I'm already good enough with the AGM's as it is. I'm saying the others should be brought down to a similar level.

People need to be doing as well as the germans were before Gaijin will change anything, it sucks but thats how the balancing in this game works, unfortunately I think any AGM's nerfed after this will be nerfed harder than the nords were.

[Acidic__Thought]

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Originally posted by hsf_:

You guys are missing my point.

The AS-20 Nords may have been nerfed, but none of the other AGMs have. They should all be brought down to a similar explosive mass or the Nord buffed.

Maybe go back to reserves with china and practice with there bi-plane rockets then switch back to the nords, I find it helps for getting practice for better, more precise aim which can make the rockets more effective, especially with low pen and low HE rockets.

Why would you have someone practice on WW2 unguided rockets while their issue is with cold-war guided missiles?

[FizzyElf]

Originally posted by Acidic__Thought:

Originally posted by FizzyElf:

Maybe go back to reserves with china and practice with there bi-plane rockets then switch back to the nords, I find it helps for getting practice for better, more precise aim which can make the rockets more effective, especially with low pen and low HE rockets.

Why would you have someone practice on WW2 unguided rockets while their issue is with cold-war guided missiles?

they have low pen, are hard to use and require fine aim, it teaches patients as well as gives you an appreciation for the more advanced Nords (there is also no repair cost and a low SP requirement so they can practice without the need to do well or worry about losing money needlessly).