Sherman Firefly/ M4 Tipo IC are TERRIBLE

[Mr. Black]

-No stabiliser
-No gun depression
-No explosive filler in its shells
-No reverse speed
-Same armour thickness as the M4 (BR 3.7) & M4A1 (BR 3.3)
-Stands at BR 4.7

M4A1 (76) W in the same BR put this trash in shame

[a spooky house]

things to fix the issues:

-add a stabiliser to the gun
-allow the gun to point downwards
-give the shells explosive fillings
-give it around 6kph to 7kph reverse speed
-add more armour than M4 and M4A1
-either lower it's BR or enhance the fixes above to give it a point to stand at BR 4.7

[Barry Cabbage]

Cant' speak for tipo but

Firefly fix issues

- You're posting in the wrong place, go to the forums... I could end it here but I wont.

- The gun barely fits into the turret... there's not enough room inside there to have more depression and not to mention how tall Sherman is... It's almost as tall as King Tiger.

- There are no explosive filler ammo types for the gun... besides you have an early Sabot round if you're having trouble killing something it's a skill issue not an ammo issue.

- Dont play the tank as a trap door spider, plenty of tanks have bad reverse speed... you better adapt it's not the first or the last tank in the UK tree with bad reverse speed.

- Armour is fine, only additions that should be made are welded plates in front of the driver and "bow MG" position, a decent few examples of this can be seen in images of real firefly's, I would suggest playing at range whenever possible.

- The BR it's at is not an issue.. lowering it would only contribute to BR compression and make the tank overly strong, at 4.7 It'll run into Tiger I's, early panthers and early IS tanks at the worst... it can already get a down tier to 3.7 if you're lucky.

[Космонавт]

The french have very similar sherman at 5.0 that you can only play in combination with 5.3 with most of the same weaknesses. Screw GB, it's the french who need to be buffed

[♠Gamer3106♠]

Learn how to use it. The gun is AMAZING at 4.7

To not talk about tipo VC which has APDS WITH 223 MM OF PEN AT ONLY 5.0

[LanceL]

Originally posted by Космонавт:

The french have very similar sherman at 5.0 that you can only play in combination with 5.3 with most of the same weaknesses. Screw GB, it's the french who need to be buffed

Agreed.

[OcGuy]

Sherman firefly is good though, it has its own downsides
but... give M4A4 SAO5 a try

[jr83]

Originally posted by quick fix uber lololol:

things to fix the issues:

[1]-add a stabiliser to the gun
[2]-allow the gun to point downwards
[3]-give the shells explosive fillings
[4]-give it around 6kph to 7kph reverse speed
[5]-add more armour than M4 and M4A1
-either lower it's BR or enhance the fixes above to give it a point to stand at BR 4.7

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War Thunder isn't that other tank game that just makes ♥♥♥♥ up. Gaijin at least makes somewhat of an attempt to adhere to what was actual.

[shadain597]

Originally posted by jr83:

Originally posted by quick fix uber lololol:

things to fix the issues:

[1]-add a stabiliser to the gun
[2]-allow the gun to point downwards
[3]-give the shells explosive fillings
[4]-give it around 6kph to 7kph reverse speed
[5]-add more armour than M4 and M4A1
-either lower it's BR or enhance the fixes above to give it a point to stand at BR 4.7

1. did it have this irl?
2. did it have this irl?
3. did it have this irl?
4. did it have this irl?
5. did it have this irl?


War Thunder isn't that other tank game that just makes ♥♥♥♥ up. Gaijin at least makes somewhat of an attempt to adhere to what was actual.

*unless they decide to throw that out the window for balance reasons.

[jr83]

Originally posted by shadain597:

Originally posted by jr83:

1. did it have this irl?
2. did it have this irl?
3. did it have this irl?
4. did it have this irl?
5. did it have this irl?


War Thunder isn't that other tank game that just makes ♥♥♥♥ up. Gaijin at least makes somewhat of an attempt to adhere to what was actual.

*unless they decide to throw that out the window for balance reasons.

Well yes I did say somewhat makes an attempt

[Wiesell]

Bruh what? The vehicle is fine. It is standing at 4.7 while the American Shermans with the 76mm sit above 4.7. The gun is nice although it has only -5 depression. If you want a faster tank, play the avenger. I only play this tank on flat maps.

[Mr. Black]

Originally posted by Mummbles:

If you can't handle -5 depression you should stay the hell away from Russian vehicles.

Firefly is a very good vehicle, somewhat affected by the BR compression, but not badly.

I adore Russian vehicles. They make the job, good penetration and if you pen mostly is a one shot.

In the other hand, this crap... Have awful post-pen damage, one shooting is very rare

[ErickaUnlimited]

Originally posted by Mr. Black:

-No explosive filler in its shells

If you're playing a tank the same way that has no access to explosive filler as one that does, then you're not adapting. Different tanks require different approaches to minimize their weaknesses and maximize their strengths.

Both those tanks do just fine at their BR and, in my opinion, are great. I suppose YMMV as evident from the post.

[Tschoob]

I started to enjoy playing the brits by playing the Firefly