Why do i have to fight against cold war era tanks!?

[Plant]

I have a Pershing, latest jumbo and bulldog scout which it was supposte to meet other ww2 era tanks in battle not bloody BMPS and other 1945+ tank with fin stabilize and APfSD. Realistic Battle should be renamed Fictional Battle .

[jr83]

Escrito originalmente por whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

Escrito originalmente por jr83:

Why not?

To be fair, it's somewhat inconsistent to put it mildly.

On one hand, we don't get thermals in the T-72A because "realism", and then we have the Maus that can actually move without getting stuck because "whatever".

Well he was talking about planes and in that regard if we didn't have experimental and prototype planes many nations in quite a few BR brackets would lack any variety and have a lot more copy/paste than we already do. WW2 era BRs especially would be bland and lack variety without prototypes and experimentals.

[jr83]

Escrito originalmente por BocheBuster:

Stupid arguments as usual to try and justify a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mix of WW2 era and post war vehicles.
So a few ww2 tanks(modified), where used post war.
Like this person, I'm not interested in post war stuff.
I stopped using my WW2 favourite tanks because I kept getting creamed by post war stuff, it's ridiculous!

If WW2 tanks could only fight other WW2 tanks there would be an even worse and more pronounced imbalance than they already is. This is a video game.

If you want "muh reelizms" then Germany should only be able to spawn 1, maybe 2 KTs a match and they should have a random chance of breaking down; allied team players should get a guaranteed ability to spawn Shermans 12 times without SP cost.

You "reelizms" don't know what you're asking for.

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Escrito originalmente por Bad-Mouth Basil:

Except we 100% know what we're asking for

The bulk of matches ought to be medium tanks, with few heavies thrown in-between. Lights are purely AI controlled; only there to scout/farm like minions in a MOBA.
>no CAS
>have proper maps
>reward actual team-work
>balance the game historically, per year (i.e. Battle of Kursk, you will only have vehicles from that point, or battle).
>colonise mars

That last point is at least plausible, because Gaijin doesn't have involvement on it.

Um, 'we'in your sentence is who exactly. A percentage of warthunder users? it doesnt seem to be the majority at all.
-Heavies are some of the most popular tanks, but apparently everyone wants to be locked out of using them when they want, and forced to use mediums while a handful of players get lucky and get a heavy allotted to them?
-Played with a ton of people and although CAS can be annoying at times, none that i know have ever wanted it removed. Maybe some balanced a bit better but most think CAS is fun. Even on forums when people say remove it just as many if not more argue against it.

Maps, i think everyone agrees more and better maps.
Teamwork should be more of a factor.

-Historical MM causes issues and is basically unfair. Not sure if you were playing when historical battles were a thing, but they had them. Rotating maps each week or so with preset lineups, 1 team having more vehicles generally to make up for having weaker vehicles. More often then not 1 team had massive queue times(the OP side) while the weak side had insta queues and generally got stomped.
There were some good ones that were really even and fun, but most you could look at the lineups and immediately guess which side had it much easier. Same with some of the historical type events.

And you wanting anything of this game to be more like a MOBA is just a disgusting idea.

[Bad-Mouth Basil]

k,
enjoy ur slot machine - and that's a big essay, to basically go: "im wrong".

[Skaldy]

Escrito originalmente por Shyue Chou:

The M36B1s saw action as recently as the 1990s in the Balkans and also in Syria recently. Pz IVs saw action in the Golan Heights as recently as 1967 too.

very hard misinformation. We used to make jokes about this because it was fun for tankers but never true. Only possible variation is some 3rd world country using chasis as gun carrier for more modern guns instead of disposing them.

[Kay]

Escrito originalmente por Skaldy:

Escrito originalmente por Shyue Chou:

The M36B1s saw action as recently as the 1990s in the Balkans and also in Syria recently. Pz IVs saw action in the Golan Heights as recently as 1967 too.

very hard misinformation. We used to make jokes about this because it was fun for tankers but never true. Only possible variation is some 3rd world country using chasis as gun carrier for more modern guns instead of disposing them.

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/m36-tank-destroyer-in-the-balkans/

They were used, though some parts were replaced (namely the engine for a more accessible model)

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/panzers-in-the-golan-heights/

Some of the Pz IVs were even captured by Israel.

You don't need modern tanks, just one as or more capable than what your enemy is fielding. So in the middle east, having extremely old tanks isn't a bad idea, since everyone is using poor or old equipment anyway.

[[QUAP] Time to Colonize]

Escrito originalmente por Plant:

I have a Pershing, latest jumbo and bulldog scout which it was supposte to meet other ww2 era tanks in battle not bloody BMPS and other 1945+ tank with fin stabilize and APfSD. Realistic Battle should be renamed Fictional Battle .

In short because no armor means low BR and extraordinary weapons. GJ thinks that their maps are fine, LV are not totally broken in terms of tanking damage (i.e. Eland tanking a T95 shot with the barrel where the shot normally would rip the vehicle apart barrel or not). Then you have inept players that pull vehicles down in BR causing them to face WW2 vehicles (eg. Leopard, although as far as i know it has those stats since it has a wrongly modelled inertia so it basically accelerates as fast as a heavy tank thus it gets less mobility than it should have).
The prime example of the whole contradicting decisions of GJ is the mobility nerf to the M18 because it was OP on the small maps like Cuban while at the same time introducing new gokarts with far more powerful rounds *cough* cheatfs *cough* and superb mobility on the same small maps we still have but unnerfed mobility.
To keep it short the game needs a gameplay, QoL, map revamp patch which will probably never happen so you rather get a Venator Star Destroyer premium pack for your soul and 120$ for the US because US suffers.

[Skaldy]

Escrito originalmente por Kay:

Escrito originalmente por Skaldy:

very hard misinformation. We used to make jokes about this because it was fun for tankers but never true. Only possible variation is some 3rd world country using chasis as gun carrier for more modern guns instead of disposing them.

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/m36-tank-destroyer-in-the-balkans/

They were used, though some parts were replaced (namely the engine for a more accessible model)

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/panzers-in-the-golan-heights/

Some of the Pz IVs were even captured by Israel.

You don't need modern tanks, just one as or more capable than what your enemy is fielding. So in the middle east, having extremely old tanks isn't a bad idea, since everyone is using poor or old equipment anyway.

nope misinformation. Even photos are black and white. I told you chasis yes but it is not p4 from ww2 probably modified in many ways. Oldest tank IN SERVICE you can find is early models of t44-54-55 models and that is it(in middle east of course). Half of stuff shown are some dudes grab old out of service vehicles and show them as in use.

[Kaga]

Ah yes, when I have to fight with the jagdtiger against centurion mk5 avre's, 20 year technological difference but dont even bother Gaijin. I like when the centurion shoot me with his shell and I die, but the replay can't even tell how I died lol. the whole BR system should be replaced honestly.

[Kerry]

i think his issue is more ATGM vs slow ass end of WW2 tanks. And thats just bs tbh.

[Kay]

Escrito originalmente por Skaldy:

nope misinformation. Even photos are black and white. I told you chasis yes but it is not p4 from ww2 probably modified in many ways. Oldest tank IN SERVICE you can find is early models of t44-54-55 models and that is it(in middle east of course). Half of stuff shown are some dudes grab old out of service vehicles and show them as in use.

Oldest tank in service today, or at the times we're talking about?

The T-34-85 is still in service with the North korean army, though a modified version of it.

How does Israel capture a tank that isn't in the middle east, not being used by the Syrian army, and definitely not bought from Czechoslovakia for £4,500?

Or Iraq capturing Iranian M36s during the gulf war?

[OcGuy]

"I have a Pershing, latest jumbo and bulldog scout which it was supposte to meet other ww2 era tanks in battle not bloody BMPS and other 1945+ tank with fin stabilize and APfSD. Realistic Battle should be renamed Fictional Battle"

>Bulldog

singlehandedly defeats the entire argument

[BocheBuster]

Escrito originalmente por jr83:

Escrito originalmente por BocheBuster:

Stupid arguments as usual to try and justify a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mix of WW2 era and post war vehicles.
So a few ww2 tanks(modified), where used post war.
Like this person, I'm not interested in post war stuff.
I stopped using my WW2 favourite tanks because I kept getting creamed by post war stuff, it's ridiculous!

If WW2 tanks could only fight other WW2 tanks there would be an even worse and more pronounced imbalance than they already is. This is a video game.

If you want "muh reelizms" then Germany should only be able to spawn 1, maybe 2 KTs a match and they should have a random chance of breaking down; allied team players should get a guaranteed ability to spawn Shermans 12 times without SP cost.

You "reelizms" don't know what you're asking for.

Haha, really?
Nothing more imbalanced than WW2 slow, heavy tanks up against post war vehicles.
I know it's not realistic, but the gap between them is silly. Like I said, I don't use my favourite tanks because it's not enjoyable.
Each to their own, I personally have little interest in post WW2 stuff, so it's disappointing for me.

[Tom]

Escrito originalmente por Skaldy:

Escrito originalmente por Kay:

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/25/m36-tank-destroyer-in-the-balkans/

They were used, though some parts were replaced (namely the engine for a more accessible model)

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/panzers-in-the-golan-heights/

Some of the Pz IVs were even captured by Israel.

You don't need modern tanks, just one as or more capable than what your enemy is fielding. So in the middle east, having extremely old tanks isn't a bad idea, since everyone is using poor or old equipment anyway.

nope misinformation. Even photos are black and white. I told you chasis yes but it is not p4 from ww2 probably modified in many ways. Oldest tank IN SERVICE you can find is early models of t44-54-55 models and that is it(in middle east of course). Half of stuff shown are some dudes grab old out of service vehicles and show them as in use.

The Panzer 4s syria used were WW2 ones stockpiled and sold to them by France, nothing was changed about them