This game sick, Tiger's 8.8cm can't pen Sherman and M10 armor

[思覺老師]

is that bug or something?
ricochet? Seems impossible, the Sherman M2 was 90 angle but slight angle to me in 600m

[Blamite Delight]

Originally posted by Festina Lente:

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

you give off the strong impression that you're just another worthless troll, has anybody ever told you that?

Oh! The I don't have anything intelligent to say so I'll just say you're a troll card!
Been quite a while since someone pulled this one this quickly on me.
You know, sometimes you have a bad match.
Sometimes you have a bunch of bad matches. Might be a bad day.
But whining on the forums is no constructive way to deal with frustration.
Might be time to brew yourself a nice cup of tea and maybe do something else, don't you think?

it isn't a "bad match" as the shells have been consistantly underperforming since the volumetric shell update.

[chikn]

Originally posted by Festina Lente:

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

you give off the strong impression that you're just another worthless troll, has anybody ever told you that?

Oh! The I don't have anything intelligent to say so I'll just say you're a troll card!
Been quite a while since someone pulled this one this quickly on me.
You know, sometimes you have a bad match.
Sometimes you have a bunch of bad matches. Might be a bad day.
But whining on the forums is no constructive way to deal with frustration.
Might be time to brew yourself a nice cup of tea and maybe do something else, don't you think?

you've contributed absolutely nothing yourself and you still have the audacity to respond

but seriously, this update did not receive enough playtesting. i just engaged a bmp-2 in my t95e1, and the shell deflected right off the front no issue. that's... abnormal. i doubt gaijin will bother to roll this back, but they might improve in time.

[Blamite Delight]

Originally posted by chikn:

Originally posted by Festina Lente:

Oh! The I don't have anything intelligent to say so I'll just say you're a troll card!
Been quite a while since someone pulled this one this quickly on me.
You know, sometimes you have a bad match.
Sometimes you have a bunch of bad matches. Might be a bad day.
But whining on the forums is no constructive way to deal with frustration.
Might be time to brew yourself a nice cup of tea and maybe do something else, don't you think?

you've contributed absolutely nothing yourself and you still have the audacity to respond

but seriously, this update did not receive enough playtesting. i just engaged a bmp-2 in my t95e1, and the shell deflected right off the front no issue. that's... abnormal. i doubt gaijin will bother to roll this back, but they might improve in time.

only got worse with my Erzats M10 and Tiger E, the shells bounce and shattered like crazy when it should have gone through.
For example:
I shot a panzer IV H in the side with my Tiger E using standard shells, rather than plowing through the front wheel and into the hull it snagged on the tracks turning them red.
Example 2: A Tiger E rounds the corner and I shoot it's flat front in my Erzatsz M10 but instead of going through it simply shatters.
Example 3: I shoot an Firefly in the front with standard rounds in my Erzatz M10...care to guess what happens next? SHATTERS.

[Abist Thuringiensis]

Originally posted by chikn:

Originally posted by Festina Lente:

Oh! The I don't have anything intelligent to say so I'll just say you're a troll card!
Been quite a while since someone pulled this one this quickly on me.
You know, sometimes you have a bad match.
Sometimes you have a bunch of bad matches. Might be a bad day.
But whining on the forums is no constructive way to deal with frustration.
Might be time to brew yourself a nice cup of tea and maybe do something else, don't you think?

you've contributed absolutely nothing yourself and you still have the audacity to respond

but seriously, this update did not receive enough playtesting. i just engaged a bmp-2 in my t95e1, and the shell deflected right off the front no issue. that's... abnormal. i doubt gaijin will bother to roll this back, but they might improve in time.

I will never get tired of saying that whining on the forums will notmake you better players.

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

Originally posted by chikn:

you've contributed absolutely nothing yourself and you still have the audacity to respond

but seriously, this update did not receive enough playtesting. i just engaged a bmp-2 in my t95e1, and the shell deflected right off the front no issue. that's... abnormal. i doubt gaijin will bother to roll this back, but they might improve in time.

only got worse with my Erzats M10 and Tiger E, the shells bounce and shattered like crazy when it should have gone through.
For example:
I shot a panzer IV H in the side with my Tiger E using standard shells, rather than plowing through the front wheel and into the hull it snagged on the tracks turning them red.
Example 2: A Tiger E rounds the corner and I shoot it's flat front in my Erzatsz M10 but instead of going through it simply shatters.
Example 3: I shoot an Firefly in the front with standard rounds in my Erzatz M10...care to guess what happens next? SHATTERS.

Being anecdotal may be a fault, but it's hard to take you seriously when those problems are not felt. If anything, German and US APCR rounds seem to be more effective, even against angles to me.
If there is something that's getting worse, it's the average war thunder player, but that's not a new problem.

[思覺老師]

Originally posted by OcGuy:

Originally posted by failure maker:

So be M4A2 75mm version, my bad.

ah, the A2. As for the armor it's mediocre, rarely survives frontal shot from 88s

Seems they fixed.

My 88mm can pen every Sherman (not include Jumbo) now.

[rigolgm]

Originally posted by failure maker:

Originally posted by OcGuy:

ah, the A2. As for the armor it's mediocre, rarely survives frontal shot from 88s

Seems they fixed.

My 88mm can pen every Sherman (not include Jumbo) now.

Cool. I am going to rush home now to see if I can actually beat Object 279s too!

[Riley⁧⁧⁧2142]

If the game is sick get it to the hospital!

[Abist Thuringiensis]

Originally posted by Randy⁧⁧Lahey:

If the game is sick get it to the hospital!

Call an ambulance! Call an ambulance!
But not for me!

[CaptainSpacetime]

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

Originally posted by chikn:

you've contributed absolutely nothing yourself and you still have the audacity to respond

but seriously, this update did not receive enough playtesting. i just engaged a bmp-2 in my t95e1, and the shell deflected right off the front no issue. that's... abnormal. i doubt gaijin will bother to roll this back, but they might improve in time.

only got worse with my Erzats M10 and Tiger E, the shells bounce and shattered like crazy when it should have gone through.
For example:
I shot a panzer IV H in the side with my Tiger E using standard shells, rather than plowing through the front wheel and into the hull it snagged on the tracks turning them red.
Example 2: A Tiger E rounds the corner and I shoot it's flat front in my Erzatsz M10 but instead of going through it simply shatters.
Example 3: I shoot an Firefly in the front with standard rounds in my Erzatz M10...care to guess what happens next? SHATTERS.

I dunno everything seems to be penning as it should? I think it's just a l2p issue with German players. Like don't shoot a heavily angled front of an m10?

[El Berl]

Originally posted by Festina Lente:

Originally posted by Randy⁧⁧Lahey:

If the game is sick get it to the hospital!

Call an ambulance! Call an ambulance!
But not for me! :B1::shellshock:

But not for Me-262!

[Pacipoodillie]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

only got worse with my Erzats M10 and Tiger E, the shells bounce and shattered like crazy when it should have gone through.
For example:
I shot a panzer IV H in the side with my Tiger E using standard shells, rather than plowing through the front wheel and into the hull it snagged on the tracks turning them red.
Example 2: A Tiger E rounds the corner and I shoot it's flat front in my Erzatsz M10 but instead of going through it simply shatters.
Example 3: I shoot an Firefly in the front with standard rounds in my Erzatz M10...care to guess what happens next? SHATTERS.

I dunno everything seems to be penning as it should? I think it's just a l2p issue with German players. Like don't shoot a heavily angled front of an m10?

In none of the quoted posts was it mentioned that a shot against an M10, ersatz or otherwise, bounced or shattered.

[chikn]

Originally posted by CaptainSpacetime:

Originally posted by Sla the $$$ maker:

only got worse with my Erzats M10 and Tiger E, the shells bounce and shattered like crazy when it should have gone through.
For example:
I shot a panzer IV H in the side with my Tiger E using standard shells, rather than plowing through the front wheel and into the hull it snagged on the tracks turning them red.
Example 2: A Tiger E rounds the corner and I shoot it's flat front in my Erzatsz M10 but instead of going through it simply shatters.
Example 3: I shoot an Firefly in the front with standard rounds in my Erzatz M10...care to guess what happens next? SHATTERS.

I dunno everything seems to be penning as it should? I think it's just a l2p issue with German players. Like don't shoot a heavily angled front of an m10?

as Pacificatore said, nobody said anything about an M10 bouncing rounds. my example was me using an american tank with sabot, the t95e1, and bouncing off a bmp-2. are you just going to ignore that part or something?

[EDSmike74]

Warthunder the game that makes all players go crazy.

The game where you spend the most time getting angry instead of having a good time relaxing.

[83athom]

Originally posted by Pacificatore:

Originally posted by Curst:

Sounds like poor aim, knowledge and possibly luck.

Unless the shot made was against an incredibly angled piece of armor there's no way a bounce could be attributed to a poor shot, unless it was a M4A3E2.

Wrong. The Sherman is actually quite well armored, and poor shots can regularly bounce, especially when it's angled. This even happened IRL.

Originally posted by Pacificatore:

This isn't limited to just 88s either, the 17-pdr is in the same boat as it should be able to go through a whole hell of a lot more than what it currently seems to be capable of.

These recent updates with Volumetric Armor and now Volumetric Shells seem to have created more problems than solutions. I'm all for fixing pixel-wide shells travelling in between armor they realistically shouldn't be able to pass through but make sure your new system actually works before you put it out.

As always, a few problems introduced with the last major update still haven't been fixed and are likely never going to be fixed.

Hoestly, this sounds like the people whining about the test builds of No Man Sky where the planets weren't in the same spots and kept reporting that as a bug... when that was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ feature called "Orbital Mechanics" (which was then removed in the release build because of that confusion, and then held against the game as breaking a promise of releasing without orbital mechanics). CURRENTLY IT IS FAR MORE REALISTIC THAN IT WAS WITHOUT VOLUMETRIC SHELLS. Just because you got used to penning in spots where you really shouldn't, doesn't mean it was realistic for you to pen in those spots.

[Pacipoodillie]

Originally posted by 83athom:

Wrong. The Sherman is actually quite well armored, and poor shots can regularly bounce, especially when it's angled. This even happened IRL.

You just said I was wrong and essentially reiterated my statement. A poor shot against a Sherman is a shot at aggressively angled armor. Head-on there should be virtually no chance that any Sherman variant bounces a shell fired by an 88. Historically the Sherman wasn't "well-armored" it was adequately-armored. Both Axis and Allied tanks fielded in the Western Front were capable of penetrating the other's armor at average battle ranges and likely beyond. Even the Churchill suffered from Mid-to-Late war 75mm German guns and especially the Late War 88mm.
Edit: Any Sherman variant that isn't a Jumbo.

Originally posted by 83athom:

Hoestly, this sounds like the people whining about the test builds of No Man Sky where the planets weren't in the same spots and kept reporting that as a bug... when that was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ feature called "Orbital Mechanics" (which was then removed in the release build because of that confusion, and then held against the game as breaking a promise of releasing without orbital mechanics). CURRENTLY IT IS FAR MORE REALISTIC THAN IT WAS WITHOUT VOLUMETRIC SHELLS. Just because you got used to penning in spots where you really shouldn't, doesn't mean it was realistic for you to pen in those spots.

That game has nothing to do with the awkwardly developed War Thunder updates, but the day one release version of NMS was inexcusable.

I'm not sure I would call the current state of the game more realistic, certainly the idea is a step in the right direction. My point earlier still stands that Gaijin need to more rigorously test their updates, especially updates that add major mechanics, before they release them.