War Thunder

War Thunder

Ver estatísticas:
Why Doesn't USA Have a Premium Corsair?
Like a bad ass Pappy Boyington model or something.
It's just sick that the only premium Corsair is on the Japanese team. What da F?
Japan team getting USMC version (3.3 USA) at 2.7!

So where's USA's fantastic Corsair premium?
How about USA's fantastic P-63 premiium?
How about USA's fantastic P47 premium? (3.7 please! while you're at it.)

Literally most of Americas iconic planes are not available as premiums in the USA tree.
But available to other nations.
< >
Exibindo comentários 1630 de 42
rockinrobbyp 17/dez./2017 às 11:34 
Escrito originalmente por Blitzkrieg Wulf:
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:

Those are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ P47s yes.
3.7 Russian and German P47s are by far the best.

Saying it would only be 'decent' to give USA something to balance the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RU/GER P47s.

It would simply be the 'decent' thing to do.

Does USA have any fantastic premiums of Yaks or Zeros or 109s or anything at a .7 BR discount? No.

If USA wasn't absolutely slaughtered every round by RU/GER P47s it wouldn't be so greivous.

If you aren't doing well with the "♥♥♥♥♥♥" P-47M against the soviets, I'm not sure if anyone can help you.

Many of us (Myself included) have been trying to get the developers to change the BR of certain vehicles, because of how annoying it is, and honestly, you'll get further faster using that approach than continuing to dive down the rabbit hole of, "They got this, I demand that!" because you know that whoever supports Germany is gonna take one look, and is gonna say the exact same thing. Now you've got yourself in a wonderful loop where everyone is salty and nobody can have nice things.


Does the USA Currently have anything at discount? No. But they did, and for quite some time. Since it was added, the US Ki-61 had a pretty significant BR discount over the Japanese one until one of the more recent-ish patches.

I've also played the game for now more than 5 years. I haven't seen that many soviet P-47's. They're out there, sure, but not in great quantity, and at 3.7-ish, the normal soviet fighters tend to leave a lot to be desired.

The biggest issue is the German P-47, because in addition to being a total powerhouse at 3.7, its typical teammates (Bf 109 F-4) is a total powerhouse at that tier too. Moving it up to 4.3 won't magically make the problem disappear, because the 109 G-2 is a total powerhouse at 4.3, as well. Really the only thing that can be said is that it won't terrorize 2.7-3.0 vehicles.

Yeah you're right German 4.3 is really out of hand.
Especially now its complimented with Italian G55s.
USA completely dead and Germany with literally 9-12 players left, same result with Russia.
Its not even funny.

Basically from 2.7-4.3 USA is completely slaughtered by P47s.
I see a Russian one in almost every match vs RU, not as common as Ger but still there.
And I see 2-4 of them in literally every match vs Ger.

You think 3.7 ish Russia is not good? Really? Yak 3, I 185, LA5FN at 4.0 are all fantastic.
But like you said Germany dominates all around 4.3 so bad its like theres no other nation in game.

I never saw USA have a premium at a discount, maybe it was a vehicle that just wasn't that good anyway.

The only thing you could compare the experience of grinding American would be if you were grinding Germany and USA had an extremely popular 3.7 109G2. Then the Germans just got slaughtered every match by American 109G2s.

Or if you were grinding Russia and USA just wiped the floor with the Russian team with 3.3 LA5FNs, or 3.3 Yak 3s.

The situation was already aweful then they raised the American P47s to 4.0-4.3, just so that at 2.7 USA has no P47 but Russia and Germany do.

Its beyond unbalanced it really is just offensive and demoralizing to play USA.

Adding a fantastic premium Corsair to the USA tree would only be a 'decent' thing to do :)
Última edição por rockinrobbyp; 17/dez./2017 às 11:36
ShadowTrooper001 17/dez./2017 às 12:29 
I'm sorry to say this, but your logic is heavily flawed. The issue at hand is not that America doesn't have an absurdly op 2.7-3.7 plane.

The issue is the BRs of the 2 premium Jug 47Ds. The problem isn't the american aircraft... the problem is the people piloting them.

Even at 4.3 The U.S has some of the most undertiered vehicles ingame. They have performance like no other nation at said battleratings... but the pilots never play to their strength.

Example: I was in a A7M2, i was chasing a P-51D-30 who went to 11k meters, he had speed, acceleration, dive... everything.

Instead he flew to the end of the map, got respawned, was forced down to the deck by a friendly zero, and killed, because he refused to fight to his strength and instead thought stalling was the way to go.

And that is only the surface of what American pilots are doing wrong.
Última edição por ShadowTrooper001; 17/dez./2017 às 12:32
rockinrobbyp 17/dez./2017 às 12:38 
Escrito originalmente por ShadowTrooper001:
I'm sorry to say this, but your logic is heavily flawed. The issue at hand is not that America doesn't have an absurdly op 2.7-3.7 plane.

The issue is the BRs of the 2 premium Jug 47Ds. The problem isn't the american aircraft... the problem is the people piloting them.

Even at 4.3 The U.S has some of the most undertiered vehicles ingame. They have performance like no other nation at said battleratings... but the pilots never play to their strength.

Example: I was in a A7M2, i was chasing a P-51D-30 who went to 11k meters, he had speed, acceleration, dive... everything.

Instead he flew to the end of the map, got respawned, was forced down to the deck by a friendly zero, and killed, because he refused to fight to his strength and instead thought stalling was the way to go.

And that is only the surface of what American pilots are doing wrong.

Your logic is flawed.
I've checked and verified its a long standing lie about 'American Players' being the problem, most players on USA have already played Germany or Russian to Tier 5 before starting with USA. It's a long standing lie.

The other long standing lie is USA having under tiered planes. It's just false.

If its the same players playing USA as with all other nations, which it is!, then USA losing the majority of rounds comes down to the matchmaking and the BR of the planes.

It's extremely rare that anybody in game will only play one nation. I've only ever seen it of Russians. Like a russian with 2000 hours in game. All on Russia. But you literally never see that from any other nations players. And only very rarely from Russians.
Última edição por rockinrobbyp; 17/dez./2017 às 12:45
GertrudeThompson 17/dez./2017 às 13:19 
You do realize you could just buy a talisman
ShadowTrooper001 17/dez./2017 às 14:36 
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:
Your logic is flawed.
I've checked and verified its a long standing lie about 'American Players' being the problem, most players on USA have already played Germany or Russian to Tier 5 before starting with USA. It's a long standing lie.

The other long standing lie is USA having under tiered planes. It's just false.

If its the same players playing USA as with all other nations, which it is!, then USA losing the majority of rounds comes down to the matchmaking and the BR of the planes.

It's extremely rare that anybody in game will only play one nation. I've only ever seen it of Russians. Like a russian with 2000 hours in game. All on Russia. But you literally never see that from any other nations players. And only very rarely from Russians.

Did you ever think that said players after flying russia/germany, are trying to fly them like Russian or German aircraft?

I cannot count how many times i see P-47s refuse to climb, or allied team in general, just because they couldn't simply not aim right at the enemy.

Or the countless time they go headon against vehicles that specialize in burst mass and heavy hitting weapons.

Or must i count how many 47's i see that try to turnfight. Which i find funny, because i rarely if ever see a German 47 pilot flying as such.

The allied planes if flown correctly can decimate anything, but with how i see plenty of people flying them, it is no wonder why they are so undertiered.

Or did you think... that just because they got to jets, it doesn't make them a good player.

For example i have lost count of how many people i see who bought an "op" vehicle and grinded a whole tree. Like a friend of mine, just started the game, bought the P-47M. Got his first jet after only around 5 days with it.
Última edição por ShadowTrooper001; 17/dez./2017 às 14:36
Illusionyary 17/dez./2017 às 20:51 
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:
Escrito originalmente por ☠GθNZzZ0ŦHΞ♥♥คm∩ЯÅI:

japan has a premium zero.

Yes they do. More than one. And no other nation gets a better version of it.
USA gets quite some different treatment.
Japan has *ONE* premium Zero. The A6M5 Ko, and it performs exactly the same as the two in the regular tree...

I agree with the German P-47 being insanely overpowered, I should know, I play it myself and club the living hell out of allied teams with it, but your argument for the US not having some super OP premium makes no sense to me, when the only issue really is the German P-47. The premium Japanese Ki-100, A6M5 and A7M all have variants that perform very similar if not the same in the normal tree.

The A6M5 Ko has different armament to the others, the A7M1 is worse than the A7M2 in the tree, and the Ki-100-II only improved on cockpit visibilty and high altitude performance.
Lain 17/dez./2017 às 20:57 
The USA excels more in their tree planes, and not their premiums. Which is good, considering so many US planes are still undertiered, have .50laser cals, and above all are for everyone who wants to research them. Take a look at the P-51D-5 for example, 4.0, great engine, 6 .50 cals with API belts, and can mess up most things it fights. Or perhaps the P-47D-25/28, 3.0 with EIGHT 50 cals with API belts, the Russian and German ones are 2.7 for whatever reason. Let's not forget the Cannonstang. This thing is at 4.0, and is a British premium, but you can get it for free in the US tree. The guns on the thing are viable even up to super prop / early jet matches, trust me, I've used it there and gotten 8 kills.
rockinrobbyp 19/dez./2017 às 13:42 
Escrito originalmente por ShadowTrooper001:
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:
Your logic is flawed.
I've checked and verified its a long standing lie about 'American Players' being the problem, most players on USA have already played Germany or Russian to Tier 5 before starting with USA. It's a long standing lie.

The other long standing lie is USA having under tiered planes. It's just false.

If its the same players playing USA as with all other nations, which it is!, then USA losing the majority of rounds comes down to the matchmaking and the BR of the planes.

It's extremely rare that anybody in game will only play one nation. I've only ever seen it of Russians. Like a russian with 2000 hours in game. All on Russia. But you literally never see that from any other nations players. And only very rarely from Russians.

Did you ever think that said players after flying russia/germany, are trying to fly them like Russian or German aircraft?

I cannot count how many times i see P-47s refuse to climb, or allied team in general, just because they couldn't simply not aim right at the enemy.

Or the countless time they go headon against vehicles that specialize in burst mass and heavy hitting weapons.

Or must i count how many 47's i see that try to turnfight. Which i find funny, because i rarely if ever see a German 47 pilot flying as such.

The allied planes if flown correctly can decimate anything, but with how i see plenty of people flying them, it is no wonder why they are so undertiered.

Or did you think... that just because they got to jets, it doesn't make them a good player.

For example i have lost count of how many people i see who bought an "op" vehicle and grinded a whole tree. Like a friend of mine, just started the game, bought the P-47M. Got his first jet after only around 5 days with it.

Allied planes cannot be flown correctly because they are below the enemy and they cannot outclimb ever not even before the end of the match.
rockinrobbyp 19/dez./2017 às 13:43 
Escrito originalmente por Rootin Tootin Putin:
The USA excels more in their tree planes, and not their premiums. Which is good, considering so many US planes are still undertiered, have .50laser cals, and above all are for everyone who wants to research them. Take a look at the P-51D-5 for example, 4.0, great engine, 6 .50 cals with API belts, and can mess up most things it fights. Or perhaps the P-47D-25/28, 3.0 with EIGHT 50 cals with API belts, the Russian and German ones are 2.7 for whatever reason. Let's not forget the Cannonstang. This thing is at 4.0, and is a British premium, but you can get it for free in the US tree. The guns on the thing are viable even up to super prop / early jet matches, trust me, I've used it there and gotten 8 kills.

USA is extremely overtiered for a nation of bnz planes below enemies on every map.
Germany has the most undertiered planes, they're all basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Climb rate is all that matters in this game.
Última edição por rockinrobbyp; 19/dez./2017 às 13:44
AttackerCat 19/dez./2017 às 14:26 
US has 3 P-63s, 5 F4Us, and premium P-38s, P-51s and a premium P-47.

And you’re saying that is none of their best aircraft? You don’t need a premium version of every single plane... just put a talisman on a Corsair or P-63 if you need a premium benefit that badly.

Meanwhile US gets premium German, Japanese, and British aircraft, plus loads of experimental vehicles that really are some of the best aircraft. (XP-50, XP-55, plus the premium versions of P-51s, P-38s, a P-47, and P-61 that are already in the regular tech tree).

TL;DR- US doesn’t need a premium Corsair, US has a ton of premium versions of aircraft in the normal tech tree already.
Última edição por AttackerCat; 19/dez./2017 às 14:26
Illusionyary 19/dez./2017 às 20:58 
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:
Escrito originalmente por Rootin Tootin Putin:
The USA excels more in their tree planes, and not their premiums. Which is good, considering so many US planes are still undertiered, have .50laser cals, and above all are for everyone who wants to research them. Take a look at the P-51D-5 for example, 4.0, great engine, 6 .50 cals with API belts, and can mess up most things it fights. Or perhaps the P-47D-25/28, 3.0 with EIGHT 50 cals with API belts, the Russian and German ones are 2.7 for whatever reason. Let's not forget the Cannonstang. This thing is at 4.0, and is a British premium, but you can get it for free in the US tree. The guns on the thing are viable even up to super prop / early jet matches, trust me, I've used it there and gotten 8 kills.

USA is extremely overtiered for a nation of bnz planes below enemies on every map.
Germany has the most undertiered planes, they're all basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Climb rate is all that matters in this game.
Please tell me you're joking.

>P-47N at 4.7
>P-51D at 4.3
>P-51 at 3.0 and 3.7
>F4U-1a at 2.7
>P-51H at 6.3
>50cals being laser beams more effective than 20mm cannons

Seems like the US has a lot of broken planes too, so much for being "overtiered".
rockinrobbyp 20/dez./2017 às 6:20 
Escrito originalmente por AttackerCat:
US has 3 P-63s, 5 F4Us, and premium P-38s, P-51s and a premium P-47.

And you’re saying that is none of their best aircraft? You don’t need a premium version of every single plane... just put a talisman on a Corsair or P-63 if you need a premium benefit that badly.

Meanwhile US gets premium German, Japanese, and British aircraft, plus loads of experimental vehicles that really are some of the best aircraft. (XP-50, XP-55, plus the premium versions of P-51s, P-38s, a P-47, and P-61 that are already in the regular tech tree).

TL;DR- US doesn’t need a premium Corsair, US has a ton of premium versions of aircraft in the normal tech tree already.

The best Corsais are Japan (at .7BR discount!), the best P47s are RU and GER (at .7BR discount!), the best P-39 and P-63 is Russian (not on losing team every round is HUGE bonus!)

So yeah the best USA planes are on other nations.
USA gets premium F4 (but without gun pods and without .7 BR discount!), in fact USA gets ZERO planes at BR discount. That favoritism is reserved for other nations!
rockinrobbyp 20/dez./2017 às 6:22 
Escrito originalmente por Illusionyary:
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:

USA is extremely overtiered for a nation of bnz planes below enemies on every map.
Germany has the most undertiered planes, they're all basically ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Climb rate is all that matters in this game.
Please tell me you're joking.

>P-47N at 4.7
>P-51D at 4.3
>P-51 at 3.0 and 3.7
>F4U-1a at 2.7
>P-51H at 6.3
>50cals being laser beams more effective than 20mm cannons

Seems like the US has a lot of broken planes too, so much for being "overtiered".

All of those are losing planes. On a losing team of boom n zoomers 3km BELOW the Germans.
They're hopeless.

Oh yeah, while we're at it, best P-51 is British (on winning team is HUGE advantage!)
USA F4U1A at 2.7 gets WRECKED by Japanese F4U1A at same BR but infinitely better plane!

>P-47N at 4.7 BR was lowered and plane massively nerfed. Terrible now.
>P-51D at 4.3 4.3 is 100% German domination. USA loses 85% of matches at this BR.
>P-51 at 3.0 and 3.7 Best one is British premium, on winning team.
>F4U-1a at 2.7 Best one is Japanese which is infinitely better.
>P-51H at 6.3 Faces jets literally every match.
>50cals being laser beams more effective than 20mm cannons
If you're massively outperformed by Germans BnZ on you, you will never aim those guns at anything. Besides the 50 cal is a German gun right? All you see 50 cals wrecking is USA planes!

Última edição por rockinrobbyp; 20/dez./2017 às 6:27
rockinrobbyp 20/dez./2017 às 6:22 
Literally all of the best USA planes are on other nations trees.
Frobro Swagginz 20/dez./2017 às 6:54 
Escrito originalmente por rockinrobbyp:
Literally all of the best USA planes are on other nations trees.
No. US has premium P-47M and P-38K
< >
Exibindo comentários 1630 de 42
Por página: 1530 50

Publicado em: 16/dez./2017 às 7:35
Mensagens: 42