Whats going on with the T 34 85 ?

[Banzaikampai]

At first: Please dont flame about things like "Russian Bias" and stuff. I just want to discuss if the T 34 85 belongs to a higer BR or needs any nerf.

My idea is to give it BR 5.3/5.7 so that it will face more rank IV tanks, because of its 85mm gun nearly comparable to the 88mm of the german Tiger and its good combination of armor and speed. Especially in RB whole russian teams consist of T 34 85s making it very hard to win for USA/GB.

[Raynor]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/42cv59/this_russian_bias_is_killing_me/

A wall of text, so i don't hope many people read it.

[Raynor]

Początkowo opublikowane przez kiro the avenger!:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cyka Blyat:

T34-85 is a good mobility tank, good 85mm gun because it's true according to history? Before anyone show me the number of destroyed T34-85, remember there are ton of ways to kill a tank, not only tank fight.

TBH, this game is biased to both Germany and Russia, but late tiers are Germany.

tell me again where in WWII T34's fought against experimental US tanks from years in the past, without any infantry support, on a map like frozen pass?

6.7 is a black hole not just because of the germans, every nation is best at 6.7. IS2-44, T29, Caernavon.
5.7 is a black hole because it's the first non-premium turreted tanks germany get after 4.3 (whats that you said about zero gaps?) and the best tank before 6.7 again.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Azarias-12:

As for your post above, you forgot to mention the inessesary 4.3 BR of a 200mm penetration Machine called Fat Max, and also how they have almost non-BR missing (in fact, they are the black holes:
-3.7 with 88 truck and Pz IV G
-5.7: Tiger H1 and Panther D (with a bit of T-34-85 spam assist)
-6.7 Tigers Spam
-8.0: Leo spam.

Oh, and they are not as expensives as other nations in-game

Try playing a Panther II or Jagdtiger in SB. That'll break your piggy bank pretty quick. and if you look, russians are consistently the cheapest.
Dmax is pretty slow, with almost no armour. You feel like whining about the SU-100Y?
Soviets are the ones with zero BR holes, after all they have an entire dev team dedicated to Soviet vehicles, and all the other nations have to share a team.
Let's not forget also that one of the reasons that we're not getting capital ships is that Gajin said the Soviets didn't have a very big navy. Japanese certainly didn't hold back ground forces at all...

T29: a P2W tank ; Caernavron: repair cost=> rare ; Is-2 mod 44: you hate its Br-421D, right? And how can it compete against KT?

Panther 2 and Jagdtiger, i don't know much about them. High repair cost or shell cost?
Su-100Y: premium; Dmax: a sniper who can comfortably wait for enemy tank comes to it sight.

Because developers are Russia and they know their country's tanks best? And how do you know that other countries have to share a develop team? You work for Gaijin?

One small reason in a bunch of serious reasons. If Gaijin wants, they can put prototype capital ship, just like WoWs. For the "balance"

[Coelian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Marcel_2200:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Rumpelcrutchskin:

T-34-85 is nowhere near as scary anymore after the overmatching patch, it gets destroyed lot easier now.

It still is too good on it's BR

Like hell it still is OP.
Atleast until it is top-tier. then it becomes the grand supreme clubber of the universe. If it isnt top tier, it is simply food and RP for the 5.7-6.3 vehicles that will gladly blast your tank into smitherenes to get modules for their vehicles.

[Coelian]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Azarias-12:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cyka Blyat:

T34-85 is a good mobility tank, good 85mm gun because it's true according to history? Before anyone show me the number of destroyed T34-85, remember there are ton of ways to kill a tank, not only tank fight.

True and False same time: as people already pointed out many times, T-34-85 in theory would be among best tanks, but irl, they suffered from bad-production issues (even thou after the push-back by Russians to Germany, the Russian quality began to get better).

As for your post above, you forgot to mention the inessesary 4.3 BR of a 200mm penetration Machine called Fat Max, and also how they have almost non-BR missing (in fact, they are the black holes:
-3.7 with 88 truck and Pz IV G
-5.7: Tiger H1 and Panther D (with a bit of T-34-85 spam assist)
-6.7 Tigers Spam
-8.0: Leo spam.

Oh, and they are not as expensives as other nations in-game

pros driving the tigers are the only things preventing me in the M26E1 to take advantange of noobs who just got the tank and think it is a invincible monster and clubbing them to death.

[kiro the avenger!]

normally people use 'dominating' to mean that thing is the best by a significant margin, thus eliminating all the competition. thats why I took that to mean you were saying it was OP, apologies if you didnt mean that.

I hadn't even mentioned the double standard of the BR-471D round, but thats a good point.
ties into when anton said they dont represent quality of materials, except of course the Tiger IIH where they've even modelled it horribly wrong.

when non-soviet nations get a good vehicle, they're quickly patched. when soviets get a good vehicle theyre rolling on for a very long time.
how long have T34-85s sat where they are, superior to everything around them and equal to the things above them? If you want a demonstration of what T34-85s would be like vs Tiger 1/Panther Ds all the time check the sim event, they do fine even when they get maps more suited to the germans.
how long was the KV-220 at 5.3? vs how long was the nashorn at 5.0?
or who the hell ever thought the Tu-4 could be the same BR as the B29? thats too dumb to be normal stupidity.

the fact that all nations have 1 dev team and the soviets has another is relatively common knowledge, you don't need to be working for a company to know how they work.

[kiro the avenger!]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pistol Star™:

Like hell it still is OP.
Atleast until it is top-tier. then it becomes the grand supreme clubber of the universe. If it isnt top tier, it is simply food and RP for the 5.7-6.3 vehicles that will gladly blast your tank into smitherenes to get modules for their vehicles.

but how do they still do so well in SB? where they can only fight Tigers and Panthers?

[Raynor]

Początkowo opublikowane przez kiro the avenger!:

normally people use 'dominating' to mean that thing is the best by a significant margin, thus eliminating all the competition. thats why I took that to mean you were saying it was OP, apologies if you didnt mean that.

I hadn't even mentioned the double standard of the BR-471D round, but thats a good point.
ties into when anton said they dont represent quality of materials, except of course the Tiger IIH where they've even modelled it horribly wrong.

when non-soviet nations get a good vehicle, they're quickly patched. when soviets get a good vehicle theyre rolling on for a very long time.
how long have T34-85s sat where they are, superior to everything around them and equal to the things above them? If you want a demonstration of what T34-85s would be like vs Tiger 1/Panther Ds all the time check the sim event, they do fine even when they get maps more suited to the germans.
how long was the KV-220 at 5.3? vs how long was the nashorn at 5.0?
or who the hell ever thought the Tu-4 could be the same BR as the B29? thats too dumb to be normal stupidity.

the fact that all nations have 1 dev team and the soviets has another is relatively common knowledge, you don't need to be working for a company to know how they work.

Yeah, it was my fault. English isn't my first language so i don't know the expression of the word "dominating".

[Banzaikampai]

Początkowo opublikowane przez kiro the avenger!:

the fact that all nations have 1 dev team and the soviets has another is relatively common knowledge, you don't need to be working for a company to know how they work.

Sorry, but this is not a FACT as long as you cant give any sources or quotes. Please give us a link or someting.