STB-1 or Typ 74?

[Coffeecool]

I plan to have my main japanese lineup around 8.3 with the Typ 89, Typ 87 and the STB-1, but i see that the Typ 74 is even "cheaper" to repair. Would it be worth going to 8.7? Or is the STB-1 already outclassed at 8.3?

[Coffeecool]

Originally posted by Vlad.Quattro:

I'm quite experienced player of Japanese tanks. I've never had the Type 74, but I can definitely tell you one thing - don't go for the STB-1.

It's very, very bad when stock, and I've just lost patience spading it.

At the time, I didn't have to research the Type 74, so I went for Type 90 straightaway. Well, I had to pay couple of thousands GE to skip it 'a little bit', cause the STB-1 was that bad.

People tend to say that the Type 74 is good, and I've heard that the premium Type 74 is best among high tier premiums.

But people also say the STB-1 is good haha. I guess i will find out then, i need to buy it anyhow.

[ErickaUnlimited]

Originally posted by Coffeecool:

Originally posted by Vlad.Quattro:

I'm quite experienced player of Japanese tanks. I've never had the Type 74, but I can definitely tell you one thing - don't go for the STB-1.

It's very, very bad when stock, and I've just lost patience spading it.

At the time, I didn't have to research the Type 74, so I went for Type 90 straightaway. Well, I had to pay couple of thousands GE to skip it 'a little bit', cause the STB-1 was that bad.

People tend to say that the Type 74 is good, and I've heard that the premium Type 74 is best among high tier premiums.

But people also say the STB-1 is good haha. I guess i will find out then, i need to buy it anyhow.

I very much enjoy the STB-1. Shame it doesn't have some partners with the same BR, but it's a solid tank. I didn't really mind the stock grind, but spaded it's a solid tank.

[Slyke]

If you aren't going for Type 90 then you don't need Type 74. Actually even if you're going for Type 90 you don't really need it for anything except for RP (10% bonus to battle RP and flat bonuses for spading it). Even a Type 89 is a better backup for Type 90 (in the absence of Type 90B) despite being lower BR.

Either way you definitely don't want to use STB in an 8.7 lineup.

[Coffeecool]

Originally posted by Curst:

If you aren't going for Type 90 then you don't need Type 74. Actually even if you're going for Type 90 you don't really need it for anything except for RP (10% bonus to battle RP and flat bonuses for spading it). Even a Type 89 is a better backup for Type 90 (in the absence of Type 90B) despite being lower BR.

Either way you definitely don't want to use STB in an 8.7 lineup.

I want to play Type 87, 89 and 75 SPH, those are settled. Only question for me is if i should use the STB-1 and stay at 8.3 or jump to 8.7 by using the Typ 74. And yes i dont plan on going for 10.0 in this tree.

[Coffeecool]

Originally posted by Vlad.Quattro:

That's the problem. People say STB-1 is good, but I know what I'm talking about. From my personal experience - it's one of the worst tanks I've ever played.

Useless gun (or ammo for that matter), low survivability and therefore, I'd say it's quite overtiered for what it is.

It cant be worse than the STA-1, right? Please say no....
And by useless gun you mean the post pen damage? Because the pen looks fine to me and the velocity too and it has a APDS stock shell.

[Slyke]

STB is pretty much a slow Leopard 1 with stabilizers and better optics. It can sometimes bounce conventional ammo, but unfortunately no one is using it at 8.3. Type 74 is virtually the same tank only with better ammo. I can't see it as anything other than an intermediate vehicle you "have" to use to get Type 90 faster.

It's possible to make it work with the lineup you have in mind and the difference won't even be that big. Why intentionally make things more difficult for yourself though?

[Kikusaku]

At 7.7 the STB works fine, it could go to 8.0 but Gaijin nerfed the reload speed to be really slow compared to other L7 105's, that's it major drawback.

The armor dont count on it, the turret is poorly modeled so even a shot that should bounce usually goes through anyway.

APDS doesn't work that great, but the HEATFS does work pretty well. (I've heard they increased this price drastically recently)

use the STB to get a feel how the type 74 drives, and help research it, but it has nothing to really back it up at 7.7

the Type 74 has a much faster rate if fire, a better stabilizer, better modeled turret (still not correct) better armor quality RHA vs CHA, and APFSDS

I have Type 74, STB (backup) 2 planes, Type 89 (which has a bugged transmission you will find out). and Type 87 as a solid 8.7 lineup

The rounds on the Type 74, (type 93 apfsds) is acceptable all the way to 10.3, dont discount its firepower, you may have a inferior machine in uptiers, but your gun still works just fine

I have a lot of experience with these vehicles, but it is my opinion that the 8.7 lineup shines better than a 8.3 (i do have a 8.3 lineup setup for tanking with friends in other nations like US) and in these cases you are limited to STB which can be painful, but it still works if you play smartly.

[Coffeecool]

Originally posted by Kikusaku:

At 7.7 the STB works fine, it could go to 8.0 but Gaijin nerfed the reload speed to be really slow compared to other L7 105's, that's it major drawback.

The armor dont count on it, the turret is poorly modeled so even a shot that should bounce usually goes through anyway.

APDS doesn't work that great, but the HEATFS does work pretty well. (I've heard they increased this price drastically recently)

use the STB to get a feel how the type 74 drives, and help research it, but it has nothing to really back it up at 7.7

the Type 74 has a much faster rate if fire, a better stabilizer, better modeled turret (still not correct) better armor quality RHA vs CHA, and APFSDS

I have Type 74, STB (backup) 2 planes, Type 89 (which has a bugged transmission you will find out). and Type 87 as a solid 8.7 lineup

The rounds on the Type 74, (type 93 apfsds) is acceptable all the way to 10.3, dont discount its firepower, you may have a inferior machine in uptiers, but your gun still works just fine

I have a lot of experience with these vehicles, but it is my opinion that the 8.7 lineup shines better than a 8.3 (i do have a 8.3 lineup setup for tanking with friends in other nations like US) and in these cases you are limited to STB which can be painful, but it still works if you play smartly.

Thank you, very good information there.

[burg4401]

lack of a line up has stopped me playing this line or if I do play it, 1 vehicle and a spaa at most.

this stops me enjoying it really, which is a shame as I kind of like them.

[Coffeecool]

Originally posted by Vlad.Quattro:

Originally posted by Kikusaku:

At 7.7 the STB works fine, it could go to 8.0 but Gaijin nerfed the reload speed to be really slow compared to other L7 105's, that's it major drawback.

The armor dont count on it, the turret is poorly modeled so even a shot that should bounce usually goes through anyway.

APDS doesn't work that great, but the HEATFS does work pretty well. (I've heard they increased this price drastically recently)

use the STB to get a feel how the type 74 drives, and help research it, but it has nothing to really back it up at 7.7

the Type 74 has a much faster rate if fire, a better stabilizer, better modeled turret (still not correct) better armor quality RHA vs CHA, and APFSDS

I have Type 74, STB (backup) 2 planes, Type 89 (which has a bugged transmission you will find out). and Type 87 as a solid 8.7 lineup

The rounds on the Type 74, (type 93 apfsds) is acceptable all the way to 10.3, dont discount its firepower, you may have a inferior machine in uptiers, but your gun still works just fine

I have a lot of experience with these vehicles, but it is my opinion that the 8.7 lineup shines better than a 8.3 (i do have a 8.3 lineup setup for tanking with friends in other nations like US) and in these cases you are limited to STB which can be painful, but it still works if you play smartly.

I must agree that the STB-1 becomes useful only after HEATFS are researched.

However, at this BR and with such optics (actually good ones in the STB) it's quite necessary to use kinetic rounds.

You disagree with yourself: Only usefull after HEATFS, you should use Kinetic.

And after i played my first 10 matches or so with it, i have a hard time to believe that we talk about the same tank.
This tank is fantastic even at stock, it feels smooth, the stabelizer is just a joy, the gun is accurate and powerfull enough for APDS(got used to with the brits), the tank is mobile and has enough hp to climb all kind of hills and on top of that you got that incredibly usefull suspension to explore all kinds of new spots with.
I didnt even mention the low siluette, OMG i play a japanese tank that has a low siluette, i can actually hide behind low cover now!