Leopard 2A4/Type 90 EXTREMELY OP!!!

[Omega Sirius]

We need the M1A1 not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ M1IP, although it is a nice addition.
Until we get the M1A1, the damn Leo 2 and Type 90 will dominate top tier!

And before anyone actuallly defies this, just so we're all clear, the M1 Abrams is the only top tier with a 105 left! What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke!
Also, why doesn't the Abrams get it's proper rounds? Where is the M883 and M900?
DU rounds please, hello?
I could go on and on.... -_-

[tickle my pickle]

All of this talking of how the armored car will get shredded by helicopters, but the helicopters will get shredded by SPAA and so on is great guys! This means that there will be more depth and a rock paper scissors element. I love where Gaijin is going, completely honest. Everything will have a counter.

[Omega Sirius]

引用自 i did inbred with your mom xd：

All of this talking of how the armored car will get shredded by helicopters, but the helicopters will get shredded by SPAA and so on is great guys! This means that there will be more depth and a rock paper scissors element. I love where Gaijin is going, completely honest. Everything will have a counter.

Yep, now it's time for IFVs and APC have their roles now as well. They would make excellent scouts.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 i did inbred with your mom xd：

All of this talking of how the armored car will get shredded by helicopters, but the helicopters will get shredded by SPAA and so on is great guys! This means that there will be more depth and a rock paper scissors element. I love where Gaijin is going, completely honest. Everything will have a counter.

That is actually very, very accurate to the modern battlefield:

Helicopter perfect counter to tanks.
SPAA/short ranged SAM perfect counter to Helicopters.
Tanks perfect counter to SPAA.

I like where this is going...

[saymyname]

引用自 unwinder66：

引用自 SAY_MY_NAME：

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It has lost to the Leclerc, that has lost to Leopard 2A4, Stridsvagn 122 and Leopard 2A5.

Leclerc losing to 2a4 and 2a5? lol wut? I have a friend that was tank commander 7 years in german army, he served on the leo 2a6 and they made a metting with the french tankers in germany to compare the leclerc and the leo 2a6, he told me that he was impressed, even more about the accuracy of the main gun while moving, he said that this level of accuracy will be comparable with the leo 2a7 service "at the time 2016 i guess", and for your information there are many different leclerc, your quote means nothing, you dare to quote two different model of leo 2 but not even bother to be accurate about the leclerc so... As always, i think you are a bit too emotive about your german tanks or when it come to germany in general, and i tell you this as i tank lover myself and as someone who talk to a real german tanker on a daily basis... so. But seing your quotes "hahahahaha..." and stuff like that you might be a teenager so i don't really mind. While you are correct about the challanger, i think you overpass the leclerc issue a bit too quick. And if you ask me "the best tank in the world" does not exist and this quote is also childish, each got pros and cons depending on where they should be used, it is not just "mine is best because reasons" you know...

I don't really care about your friend experience tho.

Accuracy of the gun has been tested as well as overall performances in the SECT.

[kamikazi21358]

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

[Omega Sirius]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

The Leclerc sucks anyway, probably worse than the C1 Ariete.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Omega Sirius：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

The Leclerc sucks anyway, probably worse than the C1 Ariete.

*biggest Uhhhh ever*

[saymyname]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

I don't think French deployed an outdated version in a tank challenge

引用自 Omega Sirius：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

The Leclerc sucks anyway, probably worse than the C1 Ariete.

The only C1 Ariete of the Ariete brigade (the one with m26 in game) completely demolished both M1A2 SEP v2 team in defensive and offensive operations, ranking 4th.

It is one of the best mbt out there today

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 SAY_MY_NAME：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It could depend what version you’re talking about, we’ll probably see the 1990 Leclerc series 1, which probably will be the top tier Cold War-ish tank; perhaps it will compare to the Leopard 2A4 ap.C or so.

I don't think French deployed an outdated version in a tank challenge

Im not talking about that, I’m saying we might see the series 1 Leclerc in game as the top tier tank for France.

[kamikazi21358]

I to be honest kind of want them to stop in the ~1991 range, about end of the Cold War, have it as it’s top tier so they don’t have to keep adding more and more modern tanks; and then maybe they can fix the 10,000+ things they skipped (I would like to say I’m exaggerating, but the real number is literally in the hundreds). If they do this, I would think top tier would probably be like:
(I’m assuming the BR range is increased to 12.0, for the better tanks and DU (and decompression), and I am only counting ‘12.0’ tanks and not counting anything beneath 12.0 (ie THE top tier tanks. Also discluding prototypes and non-MBT vehicles (except C1) for simplicity reasons.)

M1A1(HA)

Leopard 2A4 ap.C

T-80UM
T-80U (1990)
T-80U

Challenger Mk.3

Type 90

C1 Ariete
B1 Centaurio (might be top tier or .3/.7 below if not top tier; armored car with tank turret and gun)

Leclerc series 1

I.e. stopping in this timeframe allows every nation to be pretty much balanced actually. I think this is a perfect stopping point for now. Even if they add more nations, ~1991 is still very balanced for them. A few nations I hear about:

Stridsvagn 221 (Swedish)
-Swedish version of Leopard 2A4

Type 85-III(?) (Chinese)

Merkava III (Israeli)

Imo basically, it’s like 1991 is begging to be the ~ top tier.

[ODINMASTER]

the challenger 2 has amazing armour, cant be penned from the front and the gun is rifled and amazing.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 ODINMASTER：

the challenger 2 has amazing armour, cant be penned from the front and the gun is rifled and amazing.

A issue about the Challenger 2 though is it’s armor is literally assembled under the watch of armed guards; we know a fraction about the Challenger 2 than the Challenger 1, and the Challenger 1 is probably the vehicle we know the least about in game. As mentioned, the Challenger 2 cannot be penetrated from the front (most likely, we don’t know what it’s armor is), so that can’t be hardly fair at all.

It gets the same gun as the Challenger 1, which the challenger is credited for the longest confirmed tank kill in history, so it wouldn’t be anything new.

[saymyname]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

I to be honest kind of want them to stop in the ~1991 range, about end of the Cold War, have it as it’s top tier so they don’t have to keep adding more and more modern tanks; and then maybe they can fix the 10,000+ things they skipped (I would like to say I’m exaggerating, but the real number is literally in the hundreds). If they do this, I would think top tier would probably be like:
(I’m assuming the BR range is increased to 12.0, for the better tanks and DU (and decompression), and I am only counting ‘12.0’ tanks and not counting anything beneath 12.0 (ie THE top tier tanks. Also discluding prototypes and non-MBT vehicles (except C1) for simplicity reasons.)

M1A1(HA)

Leopard 2A4 ap.C

T-80UM
T-80U (1990)
T-80U

Challenger Mk.3

Type 90

C1 Ariete
B1 Centaurio (might be top tier or .3/.7 below if not top tier; armored car with tank turret and gun)

Leclerc series 1

I.e. stopping in this timeframe allows every nation to be pretty much balanced actually. I think this is a perfect stopping point for now. Even if they add more nations, ~1991 is still very balanced for them. A few nations I hear about:

Stridsvagn 221 (Swedish)
-Swedish version of Leopard 2A4

Type 85-III(?) (Chinese)

Merkava III (Israeli)

Imo basically, it’s like 1991 is begging to be the ~ top tier.

If the final br is 12 that date limit MUST go. What can be between leo 2a4 ap C and leo 2a4 to fill a gap of 2 2 whole br ? Same with Abrams.

C1 Ariete will surely be a powerful competitor at 10 br with its composite sloped armour, low profile, big space and 120 mm apfsds, but at 12 br the 2002 C1 mk2 with extra layers of armour, better engine and ere is a must to compete.

In the middle the upgraded engine version with applique armour used in operation Babylon surely fit at 11 br.
M1a2 fits perfectly at 12 br, so does Challenger 2 and t90, at 11 br challenger mk3 , t80u and m1a1h1.

[Sir Gigachad of Thundercock]

"My fav tank sucks so everything else should suck too"

[kamikazi21358]

The idea of a 12.0 Br would be:
DU ammunition - which would just club everything in game currently. Not to mention, the potential post penetration effects.
The better tanks obviously.
And more importantly - br decompression. There should not be a .7 difference between a M1IP and a T-64A. There are more than enough vehicles 8.0-10.0 for proper decompression.

引用自 SAY_MY_NAME：

If the final br is 12 that date limit MUST go. What can be between leo 2a4 ap C and leo 2a4 to fill a gap of 2 2 whole br ? Same with Abrams.

The 2A4 would go up, same with the Abrams. An Abrams actually is a good example - the M1 and M1IP are the same BR, which doesn’t make sense. Which also both may get M833, but probably because of it’s year the M1IP may only be the Abrams that gets the M900.

引用自 SAY_MY_NAME：

C1 Ariete will surely be a powerful competitor at 10 br with its composite sloped armour, low profile, big space and 120 mm apfsds, but at 12 br the 2002 C1 mk2 with extra layers of armour, better engine and ere is a must to compete.

I am confident the C1 will compete, let’s see the series 1 before we jump to conclusions.

引用自 SAY_MY_NAME：

In the middle the upgraded engine version surely fit at 11 br.
M1a2 fits perfectly at 12 br, so does Challenger 2 and t90, at 11 br challenger mk3 , t80u and m1a1h1.

I was talking about decompression, the point would be to put the Challenger Mk.3 and T-80Us and M1A1(HA) and stuff at 12.0, then go up from there. As you remember from the April fools event, the T-90A and Leopard 2A5 were listed at like 14.something BR... yeah that is pretty accurate, unless you want super compressed BRs and stuff 8.0+.