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Although not all Bf 109s have this Leading-edge slat like the Bf 109 E series and below for example. Anything goes beyond that has it.
Bf 109s are capable of carrying external gun pods but reduces the effectiveness of the Leading-edge slat as that's where the external gun pods are mounted or probably replacing them. I'm not sure if equipping the external gun pods replaces the Leading-edge slat reducing the performance for the sake of firepower as I haven't been looking at the front of the Bf 109 the entire time. They can also carry bomb loads which Fw 190s doesn't carry except for few variants.
Fw 190 is more of an interceptor due to its sheer amount of offensive armament but its real designation for its role is a fighter.
Are you trying to troll us all.
True in low tier, reverses in high tier.
As for the steeper dive angle thing... both the 109 and 190 can dive to -90 degrees and the 190's are generally quicker in a dive than the 109. Saying that the 109 can dive to a steeper angle than a 190 is superfluous and misleading as it implies the 109 dives better than the 190, when the reverse is true.
All leading edge slats do is increase the stalling angle of attack of the wing, they aren't magical aerodynamic devices. Adding gun pods doesn't do anything to the leading edge slats. They're still there and they still function to increase the stalling AoA of the wing. The additional weight and drag of the gun pods also has no effect on the stalling AoA but they do reduce turn rate, top speed and rate of climb.
As for bomb loads, most of the 190's can carry bomb loads and they are superior to that of the 109's, it's just the early 190A's that miss out.
While the 190 is a dedicated interceptor/bnz aircraft; best suited for nailing bombers up high and unsuspecting fighters on the deck. Airtargets with 20mm mineshot will devestate most aircraft; i like the FW in GF RB. Without markers most pilots won't see you until several dozen rounds smash into them; while the fairly small space makes managing energy much easier.
The 109 i use mainly when i don't know what i may encounter; or in AB.
Both are solid planes that will perform well; i would go for the FW series if you are planning to go past tier iii though. After that the 109s hit a performance cap; while the FW keeps decent gains. But thats my opinion; i'm no master of ACM.
Bf 109s have an automatic slats.[en.wikipedia.org]
What the Leading-edge slat do is to allow the wing to operate at a higher angle of attack.
A higher coefficient of lift is produced as a result of angle of attack and speed.
Those underline words are clearly stated by wikipedia and its true to its form presented in-game. Basically what it means that it gives you a better angle of attack whenever you pull up. Both high or low but can be more noticeable at high speed. This can clearly be seen as you can easily recover from a dive in a Bf 109 as you pull up increasing your Angle of Attack, this is the main reason why German planes are suggested to go Boom and Zoom for this engineering they have.
What you mentioned that its all only used for stalling is wrong. Yes, they are part of the aerodynamic devices as it clearly states it is an aerodynamic surfaces.
OP is asking the Bf 109 series and Fw 190 series. What I said is meant for all the series and not only implying to a specific variant.
Now, correct me more if you have to. I'm just stating the facts especially by experience. I spade the Bf 109 series and Fw 190 series.
If you take a wing that stalls at 15 degrees AoA and add slats then that wing may now stall at 18 degrees AoA. As a wings angle of attack increases, the lift produced increases (and so does drag), until the wing reaches Clmax at which point it stops producing lift and is considered to be stalled. By adding a leading edge slat you increase that stalling angle of attack and therefore increase the maximum lift able to be produced by the wing.
Now the thing about your statement regarding the slats helping the 109 pull out of a high speed dive is wrong and here's why. The leading edge slats only deploy at x AoA (I don't actually know what it is so I'll just use "x," it doesn't really change the argument). When you're moving at high speeds you don't have the elevator authority to achieve x AoA where the slats deploy, therefore they have no influence on the 109's ability to pull out of a dive. You can't even reach the stalling AoA of the wing with the slats retracted, so they have no need to deploy to increase the stalling AoA.
Really the 190's are just broken right now, along with the 109's, when it comes to elevator authority. But imo the 190's are further from their true capability. In every other game/sim I've played it has been the 190 that has superior control authority at high speeds in both roll and pitch. Most of my experience in game with 190's comes from long ago when the flight models were much different (better) and my only recent experience with the 190's is from the 190D's. So it's possible that the early 190's are even worse off in terms of elevator authority, I'll give you that. But it doesn't change the fact that the 190 *should* be more capable of pulling up from a dive, and *is* more capable at high tiers (kinda). It also doesn't change the fact that the leading edge slats have no influence on the 109's ability to pull up from a dive. You can even see this in game, if you go into a proper dive and pull up, the leading edge slats won't deploy.
The fact that slats increases lift, its sufficient enough to be a factor that increases the pitch going up which happens when you turn. You turn by rolling and pitching up increasing to a high angle of attack. Same goes for a dive and you pitch up to have a high angle of attack.
If you think its broken then why can't you send a historical flight data on how this plane should properly fly?
Statistics of the plane is required before you can end up into a conclusion and get it fixed. If there's no fix then its obvious that its flight model data is fine as it is.
And the wings aren't stalling when you pull out of a dive. The kind of stall that would occur in the situation that you described is an accelerated stall and that isn't possible with war thunder mouse aim. An accelerated stall occurs when you apply so much elevator and the aircraft pitches up so suddenly that it exceeds the stalling angle of attack. Doing that requires a great deal of force and as I said war thunder mouse aim doesn't even allow it.
Now, slats don't increase lift directly, they increase the wings maximum lift by increasing the stalling angle of attack. The wing will only be producing the extra lift if it reaches an angle of attack it otherwise would not have been able to without the slat. And as I said in my last post, when in a high speed dive the 109 does not reach a sufficient angle of attack to allow for the automatic extension of the leading edge slats. Take a 109 and dive to 700km/h and hold S. Look at the leading edge and you will see that they do not deploy.
Why would you brought up a spin when its just the Angle of Attack we're just talking about.
I'm talking about Gs, G-Force to be specific. The shifting of air flow right before you pull out of the dive.
Alright, I did what you said and it didn't activate the slats at that speed. The reason why the slats didn't activate is that the aircraft is reaching its max speed where it can no longer be deployed no matter what the angle of attack.
I did it the same thing at 500 km/h and pulled up and the slats deployed at -40° Angle of Attack which is around -30° in pitch angle at 7Gs.
They do deploy at steeper angle of attack downwards as its just that they don't deploy at 700 km/h as you mentioned for its close to its max speed where they break at around 790 km/h. (Bf 109 G-14/AS)