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Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 9:58
fighters are the only viable choice in RB?
it feels like bombers and heavy fighters/attackers are just food for the fighters i play as germany and my bombers dont even get near the bases that i need to bomb also my turrets are useless even the 13mm doesnt do much damage and as a heavy fighter like even if you put 100 20mm on 1 plane its still useless if you cant shoot anything normal fighters have more than enough firepower to take me down without a problem why does gajin keep adding new vechiles when the balance is clearly not as it should be
最后由 Flying Fish 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 9:58
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AttackerCat 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:27 
引用自 Winterblitz
even if you wait for the fighters to fight eachoter there will always be that 1 spitfire thats gonna come for you
Paper wings. Fragile engine. Either aim for engine hits if he's diving or a wing if he's turning, you won't have to worry about him anymore.
最后由 AttackerCat 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:27
MacaroniBurger 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:31 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
umm if i play as a fighter i can kill bombers without even thinking about it they are a pretty big target so i can start shootinf from 1k away and 1 burs is most of the time enought to break a wing or kill the gunners even with the gunners unless its a 20mm it isnt even scary
You have limited experience of encountering elite bombers. Those bomber pilots you've encountered are terribly unskilled just like your average fighter pilot who gets killed due to poor performance.


Approaching your targets can be done through any methods from low altitude bombing, carpet bombing, high altitude bombing and so on. They know when to drop their bombs for the sake of having little speed to run away and get a proper firing position. These experienced bomber pilots are able to know when to retreat, get back to friendly airspace for cover and so on.
I'm sorry, did you say go back to friendly airspace in RB? Does that mean there's actually teamwork somewhere in RB? No, It can't be. There's no way. What br are you talking about?
Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:42 
引用自 AttackerCat
引用自 Winterblitz
even if you wait for the fighters to fight eachoter there will always be that 1 spitfire thats gonna come for you
Paper wings. Fragile engine. Either aim for engine hits if he's diving or a wing if he's turning, you won't have to worry about him anymore.
even if i destroy his engine it doesnt stop him from shooting me also he will start shooting from 1k away with 20mm my 13mm are not effective at such long range and my 7.92mm are completly useless
Waryth 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:44 
引用自 Winterblitz
my 7.92mm are completly useless
引用自 MacaroniBurger
Except for british bombers. Throughout most the tiers, all they have are 7.7's, which dont do anything.
These arguements for bombers are invalid since 7.92mm/7.7mm/.30/.50 cals has been buffed already long ago.
Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:46 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
my 7.92mm are completly useless
引用自 MacaroniBurger
Except for british bombers. Throughout most the tiers, all they have are 7.7's, which dont do anything.
These arguements for bombers are invalid since 7.92mm/7.7mm/.30/.50 cals has been buffed already long ago.
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
MacaroniBurger 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:49 
引用自 Winterblitz
引用自 Waryth

These arguements for bombers are invalid since 7.92mm/7.7mm/.30/.50 cals has been buffed already long ago.
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
This. Just cuz they were buffed, doesnt make them better than 50, 20mm, and 30mm. Yes, since 7.7's got buffed, they are the best guns. God tier, totally.
Waryth 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:50 
引用自 Winterblitz
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
If you were thinking that bombers are meant to become a gunship similar to a Star Destroyer that can obliterate anything on its path then you're doing it wrong.

This is why bombers fly in formation in WW2. Since you can't do that here in War Thunder with limited bombers in 1 squadron then you do a different tactic.

What about those lone B-29s that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How come they were able to do it right? They don't even require a whole air force squadron to nuke a country.

They're playing their cards right.
MacaroniBurger 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:51 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
If you were thinking that bombers are meant to become a gunship similar to a Star Destroyer that can obliterate anything on its path then you're doing it wrong.

This is why bombers fly in formation in WW2. Since you can't do that here in War Thunder with limited bombers in 1 squadron then you do a different tactic.

What about those lone B-29s that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How come they were able to do it right? They don't even require a whole air force squadron to nuke a country.

They're playing their cards right.
We're talking about a game. What different tactic do you have in mind?
Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:52 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
If you were thinking that bombers are meant to become a gunship similar to a Star Destroyer that can obliterate anything on its path then you're doing it wrong.

This is why bombers fly in formation in WW2. Since you can't do that here in War Thunder with limited bombers in 1 squadron then you do a different tactic.

What about those lone B-29s that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How come they were able to do it right? They don't even require a whole air force squadron to nuke a country.

They're playing their cards right.
i wasnt saying they should obliterate anything what im saying is we dont have formations so the guns need to be atleast a bit scary
Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 10:57 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
that they where buffed doesnt mean that the argument is invalid they are still useless
If you were thinking that bombers are meant to become a gunship similar to a Star Destroyer that can obliterate anything on its path then you're doing it wrong.

This is why bombers fly in formation in WW2. Since you can't do that here in War Thunder with limited bombers in 1 squadron then you do a different tactic.

What about those lone B-29s that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki? How come they were able to do it right? They don't even require a whole air force squadron to nuke a country.

They're playing their cards right.
also about the b29 thing they played their cards right by specially modifying the b29 to fly higher than the japanese fighters could reach so that is an invalid argument as we cant do that in this game
Waryth 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:32 
引用自 Winterblitz
also about the b29 thing they played their cards right by specially modifying the b29 to fly higher than the japanese fighters could reach so that is an invalid argument as we cant do that in this game
[B-29A-BN] Max Altitude: 12,000 meters

[J7W1] Max Altitude: 12,500 meters
[Ki-84] Max Altitude: 13,000 meters
They have interceptors to take down high altitude bombers. My arguement is valid.

引用自 MacaroniBurger
We're talking about a game. What different tactic do you have in mind?
I already mentioned some of the tactics in the previous posts..
最后由 Waryth 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:32
MacaroniBurger 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:34 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
also about the b29 thing they played their cards right by specially modifying the b29 to fly higher than the japanese fighters could reach so that is an invalid argument as we cant do that in this game
[B-29A-BN] Max Altitude: 12,000 meters

[J7W1] Max Altitude: 12,500 meters
[Ki-84] Max Altitude: 13,000 meters
They have interceptors to take down high altitude bombers. My arguement is valid.

引用自 MacaroniBurger
We're talking about a game. What different tactic do you have in mind?
I already mentioned some of the tactics in the previous posts..
Low alt bombing and high alt bombing don't have a lot of variation. Low alt is for ground targets. High alt is for base bombing. All 3 of the methods you mentioned don't take ultra god like skill that you describe elite bomber pilots as having.
Cosmic_Pie_Crust 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:53 
Bomber are on my part pretty good at the moment. their tough with out being op (realstic dmage) the only thing that makes them feel weak is player aimming is better then real life which means they get shot down easy. manual control of the guns are perfect ai still pretty meh. All an all i find bomber perform fine. What we really need is better targets to bomb make them intersting and rewards decent. Still thou good for a bit of laid back action.

The altitude of the b-29 played a part but more so my wall of text yes it from wikipedia but just quick and easy to find.

Due to the poor standard of the remaining pilots and the deployment of P-51 Mustangs to escort B-29s, the Japanese leadership decided in April to withdraw their remaining fighters from combat. These aircraft were placed in reserve to counterattack the Allied invasion.[203] As a result, few of the subsequent Allied raids were intercepted.[203] The effectiveness of Japanese anti-aircraft batteries also decreased during 1945 as the collapse of the national economy led to severe shortages of ammunition.[203] Moreover, as the anti-aircraft guns were mainly stationed near major industrial areas, many of the raids on small cities were almost unopposed.[204] Imperial General Headquarters decided to resume attacks on Allied bombers from late June, but by this time there were too few fighters available for this change of tactics to have any effect.[205] The number of fighters assigned to the Air General Army peaked at just over 500 during June and July, but most frontline units had relatively few serviceable aircraft.[206] During the last weeks of the war Superfortresses were able to operate with near impunity owing to the weakness of the Japanese air defenses; LeMay later claimed that during this period "it was safer to fly a combat mission over Japan than it was to fly a B-29 training mission back in the United States"
最后由 Cosmic_Pie_Crust 编辑于; 2017 年 8 月 19 日 下午 11:53
Flying Fish 2017 年 8 月 20 日 上午 12:03 
引用自 Waryth
引用自 Winterblitz
also about the b29 thing they played their cards right by specially modifying the b29 to fly higher than the japanese fighters could reach so that is an invalid argument as we cant do that in this game
[B-29A-BN] Max Altitude: 12,000 meters

[J7W1] Max Altitude: 12,500 meters
[Ki-84] Max Altitude: 13,000 meters
They have interceptors to take down high altitude bombers. My arguement is valid.

引用自 MacaroniBurger
We're talking about a game. What different tactic do you have in mind?
I already mentioned some of the tactics in the previous posts..
i already stated that the b29 used to drop the atom bomb was modified to fly higher than a normal 1
Waryth 2017 年 8 月 20 日 上午 12:18 
引用自 Winterblitz
i already stated that the b29 used to drop the atom bomb was modified to fly higher than a normal 1
It wasn't stated that it was modified to fly higher than a normal one. Even if it did, they only flew at 9,470 meters just to drop the atomic bomb[en.wikipedia.org] and that's not their service ceiling, even an ordinary B-29 can do the same.

Please provide your source of which the B-29 that dropped the atomic bomb was modified to fly even at higher altitude than an ordinary B-29.
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