T-34 problem

[jg0001]

In every single match, I encounter an enemy team full of this tank or some variant of it. Its armor is way too thick too penetrate for even a rank 3 tank destroyer. It would be nice if the tier number could be raised so later tier tanks could counter the T-34, or if the back and side armor could be thinned. The main problem is that the T-34 tank is so popular. If I got one shot killed with this every once in a while, it would be annoying, but nothing much. The amount of game-breaking tanks on the enemy team really spoils the game and ruins a lot of fun.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Major Hans:

The Russian tanks with 122mm or greater already can do that.

No they can't, the 122mm struggles to penetrate the Panther’s UFP at the moment, and has no chance against the KT's UFP

Originally posted by Major Hans:

The Ferdinand was a total crapwagon and yes they should model that. It was a bad design that was abandoned for reasons. The Jagdtiger can fall into that category too.

They shouldn't and won't, it wouldn't add anything to the game except frustration to the players using it.

Originally posted by Major Hans:

Can't comment on the Tiger 1 "black holes of doom" as you call them. My personal experience in the Ausf.H is that I wish they were as tough to crack at their BR as the KV is at its BR. My captured 75mm L/48 KV-1 feels more like a Tiger than the Tiger does.

The driver's viewport on the Brümmbar can absorb a hit from 105mm APFSDS. The Tiger regularly eats 17pdr shells that hit the driver's viewport, even APDS. It's surprisingly consistent too.

Originally posted by Major Hans:

You call it another stupid RNG. I say this game was obviously programmed by Russian fanboys.

Your assumption that the game is set up to favour Russian vehicles is incorrect, as evidenced by Russian vehicles having weaknesses modelled when other tanks do not, and by Russian tanks being mostly average at every BR.

From winrates and KDR of tanks by nation and BR, Germany either outperforms Russia or is on par with them, except at low BR (in terms of KDR, winrate stays pretty poor except at 2.7 compared to Germany) where Russia performs very well

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gofq5z/stats_and_the_real_value_of_the_winrate_chart/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The game isn't biased towards Russia, if anything it's biased towards Germany

Italy, Japan, China and Sweden perform better than Russia on average, with Britian performing worse, and America performing similarly overall (with both good spots and bad spots, but mostly being average)

[HansGruber]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

The driver's viewport on the Brümmbar can absorb a hit from 105mm APFSDS.

Don't think that vehicle has a view port at all though.

If you're talking about the periscope absorbing hits then this is a common flaw throughout all vehicles in game thunder.

What should happen is anything large enough to penetrate that should keep sailing till it hits the main armor.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Major Hans:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

The driver's viewport on the Brümmbar can absorb a hit from 105mm APFSDS.

Don't think that vehicle has a view port at all though.

If you're talking about the periscope absorbing hits then this is a common flaw throughout all vehicles in game thunder.

What should happen is anything large enough to penetrate that should keep sailing till it hits the main armor.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390642515545423883/661402739686768651/20191231025727_1.jpg

The viewport, on the front hull. similar thing happens with the Tiger I, the armour overlaps in weird ways so it's far stronger than it should be.

[HansGruber]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Originally posted by Major Hans:

Don't think that vehicle has a view port at all though.

If you're talking about the periscope absorbing hits then this is a common flaw throughout all vehicles in game thunder.

What should happen is anything large enough to penetrate that should keep sailing till it hits the main armor.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390642515545423883/661402739686768651/20191231025727_1.jpg

The viewport, on the front hull. similar thing happens with the Tiger I, the armour overlaps in weird ways so it's far stronger than it should be.

Ah ok. For a moment I forgot the early production had that, I'm so used to seeing mid/late series Sturmpanzer IVs.

Yhea that should probably be looked into. The actual LOS thickness might be that high but I can't believe that it would actually offer that much protection.

[higuita]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

the t-34s strength isn't in it's armor thickness though, it's in the steep angle of the front that consistently bounces shots...

And if this happens to you all the time, then for sure you are shooting the wrong places.
Again, you must know and understand your and the enemy tanks to be able to fight then, to use your strong points against their weak points. Use then! Even ammo type can help, sometimes penetration potential is not the more important. Use the game ammo penetration simulation to learn!

If you have problems now with t-34, later one you will complain from other even harder tanks

[CENSORED BY *****BOT]

Originally posted by higuita:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

the t-34s strength isn't in it's armor thickness though, it's in the steep angle of the front that consistently bounces shots...

And if this happens to you all the time, then for sure you are shooting the wrong places.
Again, you must know and understand your and the enemy tanks to be able to fight then, to use your strong points against their weak points. Use then! Even ammo type can help, sometimes penetration potential is not the more important. Use the game ammo penetration simulation to learn!

If you have problems now with t-34, later one you will complain from other even harder tanks

tell that to the people constantly bouncing shells off my t-34 lol.

[selo20202]

just use a Panzer4 f2 or stug3 or marder3 or just a puma or maybe a flak88 truck. Any of these vehicles can pen a T34 with no problem. all of this guns have at least 110mm pen and a T34 have only 45mm-75mm armor. JUST THRUST GERMAN CANNONS =D

[higuita]

I play with all countries and when i face the t-34, in most tanks (not all, of course), i have no problems with then, as long i'm the first to fire (return fire depends of the tank i'm in and where i was hit). When i play t-34, i like it's mobility, but i get killed without much problems. Yes, sometimes shots bounce, like in other tanks they hit a track, a hard spot, a machine gun, etc

This game was never set to be 100% realistic, that is why you do not damage the gun barrel nor block the turn in other objects (walls, trees, etc), transmission and engine breaking just for usage, tanks being stuck in mud.

Several of this real live issues would make the game too slow to be fun. Go play simulator battles to see how much slower some tanks get and then imagine that the transmission can break at any time for some tanks, the gun barrel hit a tree and you need to kill a guy a few meters behind it or you tried to cross some river and get blocked. ohh, and taking 10min to replace a crew member position, as most of the time you would need to take the dead guy out to occupy it's place (and many time go outside the tank to do it)

While all those problems are interesting to experiment (say special events), i do not believe that people would like to play those games for a long time...

[jg0001]

Never-mind guys I just discovered that the M24 Chaffee exists. Merican' bias.

[breach_candy]

T-34s are good tanks. The Tiger is a good tank. Fact is, it isn't as easy as point and click. Aim for weak spots like turrets rings and shot traps.

[OcGuy]

Originally posted by Armaghgeddon:

I cannot believe that Major Hans is not trolling. It offends my sensibilities to believe he is serious.

Beyond that, as everyone has said T-34 being OP is a myth and it can easily be destroyed by the german long 75 at nearly any range. It doesn't even require weakspots, you just need to not hit the edges of the MG port or hit the driver's hatch and you'll pen for a guaranteed kill on the entire crew. If using the Sherman 75mm go for the machine gun port or turret ring/cheek. With the stab it will be easy to hit them before they hit you.

Basically git gud. And please stop playing Germany if you can't, your complaints will only further vindicate Gaijin's habit of downtiering german tanks which do not deserve it. Play USSR or US.

EDIT: I will note that the driver's hatch on the T-34 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, once bounced a super 90 shell from point blank. Thankfully the T32 is literally invincible against the 85mm so it didn't get me killed. Just don't shoot the driver's hatch and she'll be right.

The T-34's driver hatch is as equivalent as the Tiger's driver viewport. They made as if they were made with Stalinium or Mythical Krupsteel

[Suthirak_D42]

Most bias tank in the game. It can bounce 88-105mm to its eyeholes instead of kill even it hit with 0 degree. And it can kill enemies witn 90 degree of hit.

[Furina De Fontaine]

I like how everyone needs to type a text wall to their reply when the OP and others just don't know how to aim and play the game properly.

Originally posted by Suthirak_D42:

Most bias tank in the game. It can bounce 88-105mm to its eyeholes instead of kill even it hit with 0 degree. And it can kill enemies witn 90 degree of hit.

Again, L2P issue. Most people who complain about the T-34s never actually touched one themselves. Try playing the T-34-85 against Tigers and just see how "biased" it is.

And no, before you even try to reply. The T-34 1940 is not the full experience of playing a T-34.

[highfivingbears]

Originally posted by Suthirak_D42:

Most bias tank in the game. It can bounce 88-105mm to its eyeholes instead of kill even it hit with 0 degree. And it can kill enemies witn 90 degree of hit.

That's literally a universal thing with any tank that has optics. The only reason why most people know about it on the T-34 is because the driver's optics on the T-34 are so friggin' big. They've saved me more than once, and saved my opponent more than once, too.

I've had a 122mm shell fired from a D-25T cannon on the IS-2 bounce off of an 76 Sherman, that has maybe 80 to 90mm of effective frontal, because of optics.