we need f-22 and f-35 to counter radar

[Masterofgaming22]

BR 10.0 because the only f-35 variant worth talking about doesn't even have a gun (bravo variant) and they both have limited payload if doing stealth

[Angry Welshman]

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BR 10.0 because the only f-35 variant worth talking about doesn't even have a gun (bravo variant) and they both have limited payload if doing stealth

No, we don't. What we need are sead aircraft.

[Eftwyrd]

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BR 10.0 because the only f-35 variant worth talking about doesn't even have a gun (bravo variant) and they both have limited payload if doing stealth

No, we don't. What we need are sead aircraft.

100% agree, i expect anti-rad missiles to be the next big jump in powercreep as they are a relatively simple and direct counter to radar with missiles like the agm45 shrike carried by 3rd generation jets like later versions of the phantom we already have ingame, without requiring us to skip from bare entry level 3rd gen to state of the art 5th gen jets as op is suggesting... and also having the simple counter of being able to turn off your radar for the missile to lose tracking

[Mods]

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1.
F-35 has the world's most powerful jet engine to date (aside from Russian space rocket engines)
2.
F-35 has highly advanced AIM-9s and AIM-12s(I think) that can take out aircraft further away than the current largest map size in-game
3.
F-35 has incredible stealth and reaches mach 2, making it at a speed stand point only the fastest and fastest accelerating aircraft to be in game (if gaijin would be crazy enough to listen to this joke post)
4.
F-35 has electronic autocannon with more than enough rounds to decimate enemies without its missiles (also anti-ground capable)
5.
F-35 has advanced countermeasures, meaning you will literally have only your guns to combat this jet
6.
can carry as much ordinance as an A-10 Thunderbolt II (a lot)

1B
F-22 is one of the world's best air superiority fighters
8 missiles compared to F-35's six, so way more than any aircraft in-game

2B
2 engines with combined thrust barely exceeding the F-35, making it a little bit faster and definitely faster acceleration

3B
same weapons options as F-35 (aside from bombs), making it more deadly as it has more of them

4B
stealth like F-35, a lot of other features I already described

Lol, hoping this is a joke thread, but here is some clear evidence why we are not quite ready for modern jet fighters (with a lot of classified information essential to gameplay mechanics)

tidbit
it cant carry as much ord as an A10, it lacks the hardpoints for it.

[B.D.Godde]

Първоначално публикувано от Mods_o_joy:

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

1.
F-35 has the world's most powerful jet engine to date (aside from Russian space rocket engines)
2.
F-35 has highly advanced AIM-9s and AIM-12s(I think) that can take out aircraft further away than the current largest map size in-game
3.
F-35 has incredible stealth and reaches mach 2, making it at a speed stand point only the fastest and fastest accelerating aircraft to be in game (if gaijin would be crazy enough to listen to this joke post)
4.
F-35 has electronic autocannon with more than enough rounds to decimate enemies without its missiles (also anti-ground capable)
5.
F-35 has advanced countermeasures, meaning you will literally have only your guns to combat this jet
6.
can carry as much ordinance as an A-10 Thunderbolt II (a lot)

1B
F-22 is one of the world's best air superiority fighters
8 missiles compared to F-35's six, so way more than any aircraft in-game

2B
2 engines with combined thrust barely exceeding the F-35, making it a little bit faster and definitely faster acceleration

3B
same weapons options as F-35 (aside from bombs), making it more deadly as it has more of them

4B
stealth like F-35, a lot of other features I already described

Lol, hoping this is a joke thread, but here is some clear evidence why we are not quite ready for modern jet fighters (with a lot of classified information essential to gameplay mechanics)

tidbit
it cant carry as much ord as an A10, it lacks the hardpoints for it.

internal storage capacity can carry an ordinance equaling an A-10 Thunderbolt II
at least the A variant can

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от DasaKamov:

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pointless to have a countermeasure when you dont even know youre about to die

You mean, aside from the huge "ROCKET IS BEING LAUNCHED" warning that pops up on your screen whenever someone fires an AA missile?

I'm not talking about A2A missiles. I'm talking about the missiles that the ADATS and CO uses, which does not have any sort of indicator.

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tidbit
it cant carry as much ord as an A10, it lacks the hardpoints for it.

internal storage capacity can carry an ordinance equaling an A-10 Thunderbolt II
at least the A variant can

it can carry 2 bombs and 2 missiles or 4 missiles internally. the B variant can only carry 1000 lbs bombs. that is not even a dent on the carrying capacity of the a-10.

[B.D.Godde]

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You mean, aside from the huge "ROCKET IS BEING LAUNCHED" warning that pops up on your screen whenever someone fires an AA missile?

I'm not talking about A2A missiles. I'm talking about the missiles that the ADATS and CO uses, which does not have any sort of indicator.

ah yes,
this is because most aircraft at this point in time are mainly developed for fighting enemies in their generation, meaning that ADATS and Tunguska are fighting an enemy that has no defence against them

[B.D.Godde]

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You mean, aside from the huge "ROCKET IS BEING LAUNCHED" warning that pops up on your screen whenever someone fires an AA missile?

I'm not talking about A2A missiles. I'm talking about the missiles that the ADATS and CO uses, which does not have any sort of indicator.

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internal storage capacity can carry an ordinance equaling an A-10 Thunderbolt II
at least the A variant can

it can carry 2 bombs and 2 missiles or 4 missiles internally. the B variant can only carry 1000 lbs bombs. that is not even a dent on the carrying capacity of the a-10.

from lockheed martin's own site:

"In stealth mode, the F-35 can infiltrate enemy territory that other fighters can’t, carrying 5,700 pounds of internal ordnance. Once air dominance is established, the F-35 converts to beast mode, carrying up to 22,000 pounds of combined internal and external weapons, to return to the battle to finish the fight."

the 22,000 pounds are with under-wing pylons
https://www.f35.com/about/carrytheload/weaponry

EDIT: this site is out of date,
the F-35 A and C both got a new weapons bay modification allowing them to hold 6 A-A missiles (either AAMRAAMs or Sidewinders) in their internal weapons bay

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от Blitzkrieg Wulf:

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as its currently implemented, jets do not know when they are being tracked by radar or not, making it pointless to have a countermeasure when you dont even know youre about to die. by not being able to be tracked by radar at all, you dont have to worry about the issue. when the weapon bays open up, they could have the jets blip on radar, so that way the anti airs can have a chance to detect them.

You really mean to tell me you intend on asking for the developers to add a plane 60 years newer than what we currently have, for one single nation, just to combat SPAA (Without looking at other implications of its addition), rather than just asking for something that's even remotely in the same era?


Well, I wish you luck in getting 2020+ US jets in 1.93 for countering radar SPAA. You'll need all you can get.

Most nations currently have the F-35 or a clone of the F-35. Germany did not want the F-35 and opted for the Eurofighter Typhoon, France idk, russia has their migs, china has a clone, UK has f-35, USA has F-35, japan has F-35, italy has F-35. F-22 is USA only though, but it serves more as air superiority, while the F-35 could serve as the "light tank" of the air, spotting targets and relaying it to ground allies with its antenna suite.

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

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I'm not talking about A2A missiles. I'm talking about the missiles that the ADATS and CO uses, which does not have any sort of indicator.


it can carry 2 bombs and 2 missiles or 4 missiles internally. the B variant can only carry 1000 lbs bombs. that is not even a dent on the carrying capacity of the a-10.

from lockheed martin's own site:

"In stealth mode, the F-35 can infiltrate enemy territory that other fighters can’t, carrying 5,700 pounds of internal ordnance. Once air dominance is established, the F-35 converts to beast mode, carrying up to 22,000 pounds of combined internal and external weapons, to return to the battle to finish the fight."

the 22,000 pounds are with under-wing pylons
https://www.f35.com/about/carrytheload/weaponry

EDIT: this site is out of date,
the F-35 A and C both got a new weapons bay modification allowing them to hold 6 A-A missiles (either AAMRAAMs or Sidewinders)

again, the variant I am proposing to include into the game is the B variant, which does not have that modification (yet). being in beast mode would nullify all the stealth advantages that the F-35 gets, and it would get treated as a normal jet getting swatted out of the air, which is where the balance lies.

[B.D.Godde]

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

from lockheed martin's own site:

"In stealth mode, the F-35 can infiltrate enemy territory that other fighters can’t, carrying 5,700 pounds of internal ordnance. Once air dominance is established, the F-35 converts to beast mode, carrying up to 22,000 pounds of combined internal and external weapons, to return to the battle to finish the fight."

the 22,000 pounds are with under-wing pylons
https://www.f35.com/about/carrytheload/weaponry

EDIT: this site is out of date,
the F-35 A and C both got a new weapons bay modification allowing them to hold 6 A-A missiles (either AAMRAAMs or Sidewinders)

again, the variant I am proposing to include into the game is the B variant, which does not have that modification (yet). being in beast mode would nullify all the stealth advantages that the F-35 gets, and it would get treated as a normal jet getting swatted out of the air, which is where the balance lies.

with AAMRAAMs that can fire the length of the map at supersonic cruise speeds (4 of them) with greater reliability and accuracy than any missile currently in game
with little to no warning and no way of knowing you are being locked onto
any jet with these missiles would be 16.0 at minimum

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

again, the variant I am proposing to include into the game is the B variant, which does not have that modification (yet). being in beast mode would nullify all the stealth advantages that the F-35 gets, and it would get treated as a normal jet getting swatted out of the air, which is where the balance lies.

with AAMRAAMs that can fire the length of the map at supersonic cruise speeds (4 of them) with greater reliability and accuracy than any missile currently in game
with little to no warning and no way of knowing you are being locked onto
any jet with these missiles would be 16.0 at minimum

which is also why i'm saying that the f-35 should have a nerfed loadout, like the f-4C.

[B.D.Godde]

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

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with AAMRAAMs that can fire the length of the map at supersonic cruise speeds (4 of them) with greater reliability and accuracy than any missile currently in game
with little to no warning and no way of knowing you are being locked onto
any jet with these missiles would be 16.0 at minimum

which is also why i'm saying that the f-35 should have a nerfed loadout, like the f-4C.

so it can only carry AIM-9X sidewinders that still have greater range than any missile currently in-game, coupled with its stealth and maneuverability, would make it indestructible
also, AIM-9Xs have even more reliable lock and hit than AAMRAAMs due to the lesser distance

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

which is also why i'm saying that the f-35 should have a nerfed loadout, like the f-4C.

so it can only carry AIM-9X sidewinders that still have greater range than any missile currently in-game, coupled with its stealth and maneuverability, would make it indestructible
also, AIM-9Xs have even more reliable lock and hit than AAMRAAMs due to the lesser distance

f-35 is designed to carry "legacy" loadouts. it can carry aim-9bs if it has to.

[B.D.Godde]

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

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so it can only carry AIM-9X sidewinders that still have greater range than any missile currently in-game, coupled with its stealth and maneuverability, would make it indestructible
also, AIM-9Xs have even more reliable lock and hit than AAMRAAMs due to the lesser distance

f-35 is designed to carry "legacy" loadouts. it can carry aim-9bs if it has to.

so you are going to give it 'legacy loadouts' just so you can see it in game
at least add Harrier jump jet (it is the 60s, we we are pretty much there) first to see whether jump jets are viable in-game

also, the performance of the F-35B is constantly changing due to new modifications...
so which prototype would be used?

[Masterofgaming22]

Първоначално публикувано от theGoddes:

Първоначално публикувано от Masterofworlds22:

f-35 is designed to carry "legacy" loadouts. it can carry aim-9bs if it has to.

so you are going to give it 'legacy loadouts' just so you can see it in game
at least add Harrier jump jet (it is the 60s, we we are pretty much there) first to see whether jump jets are viable in-game

also, the performance of the F-35B is constantly changing due to new modifications...
so which prototype would be used?

the idea is for a new jet capable of countering radar to be implemented. the harrier does not fulfil that role, and modern missiles and bombs are not required for that role. as far as i'm aware, there has been no modification that would significantly change the flight model of the air craft. if gaijin wanted to, they could use it as a way to sell premium f-35s. whichever version that they pick for the tech tree ultimately has no bearing on how it will perform in comparison to the other f-35s.