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Mods 2019 年 9 月 14 日 下午 9:23
So about those removed vehicles
all it did was make it worse
last match i had a literal swarm of Panther IIs and Tiger 10,5s the entire match, which lasted for almost a half hour,


but no removing them certainly made them balanced, lmao.
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 4:20 
引用自 Blackwatch：
引用自 StandardFlex3000：
Pretty much all of Japan's tech tree tanks existed lol. Chi nu existed and faced shermans, Chi to and Chi ri also were produced but stayed in mainland japan for defense because they came late in the war. Ho ri had the prototype, not sure about the production variant.
From there on every tank existed and was used by the JSDF
China exists in-game because they had a lot of domestic cold war tanks and some planes (most were variants of Migs and the like). They could not muster the industry to produce tanks and aircraft in WW2 due to civil war and japanese advances

The prototype of the Ho-Ri was rumoured to exist (They supposedly dumped it in a lake somewhere or something), but no evidence has been found due to the destruction of documents and war material when Japan realized it had lost the war.
There's a photo of a scale wooden mockup of it, and thats about it.
So, no, Ho-Ri (Both versions) are actually paper designs.
The Ho-Ri is the only one that is questionable. In the case of everything else in the tree they all existed, albeit the Chi-Ri as an incomplete prototype.
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Illusionyary 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 4:28 
引用自 StandardFlex3000：
Pretty much all of Japan's tech tree tanks existed lol. Chi nu existed and faced shermans, Chi to and Chi ri also were produced but stayed in mainland japan for defense because they came late in the war. Ho ri had the prototype, not sure about the production variant.
That's not strictly true, the Chi-Nu never saw any combat but was designed as a stop gap to give Japanese tanks a fighting chance against the Sherman until the Chi-To (the Sherman killer) was developed. All of these tanks remained on the home islands and never saw combat.

Ho-Ri is debatable. Some say it existed, some not. Personally I don't think it did exist but Japan needs all the tanks it can get so I see no harm.
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Mods 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 4:45 
引用自 StandardFlex3000：
引用自 Oblivion_Gun：

If you start checking you will find all kinds of vehicles in the game that never came off the drawing board, Look at the Japanese Tree most of those tanks never existed. during WW II all the Japanese mainly had where thin armor light tanks, that had no hope of doing any damage to U.S.
Tanks, most Japanese tanks and crews where destroyed by 50 cal machine gun fire. For that matter why does a china tree any exist, they where an land-lease, So technically never produced by China. If you want realistic then start looking somewhere else because War Thunder is no where close
Pretty much all of Japan's tech tree tanks existed lol. Chi nu existed and faced shermans, Chi to and Chi ri also were produced but stayed in mainland japan for defense because they came late in the war. Ho ri had the prototype, not sure about the production variant.
From there on every tank existed and was used by the JSDF
China exists in-game because they had a lot of domestic cold war tanks and some planes (most were variants of Migs and the like). They could not muster the industry to produce tanks and aircraft in WW2 due to civil war and japanese advances
the existence of the prototype or "production" variant are iffy at best, nobody knows if they actually existed or if they were post war drafts made by western design.
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un.Casual 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 4:59 
The vehicles weren't even op to begin with?
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Oblivion_Gun 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:15 
The sherman's only had to worry about the Japanese type 01 47mm field gun (or Mountain Gun)
and not many of those ever got produced, the 37mm Tank Destroyer couldn't pen a Sherman. The way I see it, if it didn't see actual combat it shouldn't in the game. You can make anything look good on paper, but till proven it don't mean a thing.

The Chi-Nu did not see combat during the war. All produced units were retained for the defense of the Japanese Homeland in anticipation of an Allied invasion.
最後修改者：Oblivion_Gun; 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:20
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:19 
引用自 Oblivion_Gun：
The sherman's only had to worry about the Japanese type 01 47mm field gun (or Mountain Gun)
and not many of those ever got produced, the 37mm Tank Destroyer couldn't pen a Sherman. The way I see it, if it didn't see actual combat it shouldn't in the game. You can make anything look good on paper, but till proven it don't mean a thing
That isn't the way most of the community looks at it.
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RussianPuts 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:34 
It is an utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie that Gaijin said that the reason for their removal was for ''historical accuracy''. It's just a cash grab.
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:46 
引用自 RussianPuts：
It is an utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie that Gaijin said that the reason for their removal was for ''historical accuracy''. It's just a cash grab.
How is it a cash grab? The Coelian, Tiger 10.5 cm, and the Panther II will never be available again so they aren't earning any money there and the Maus will be returning in annual events as a reward.
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RussianPuts 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 5:57 
引用自 Shovel Knight：
引用自 RussianPuts：
It is an utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie that Gaijin said that the reason for their removal was for ''historical accuracy''. It's just a cash grab.
How is it a cash grab? The Coelian, Tiger 10.5 cm, and the Panther II will never be available again so they aren't earning any money there and the Maus will be returning in annual events as a reward.
They wanted players to boost their way through research is how. If it was truly for historical accuracy they would do away with WAY more than the above mentioned vehicles and not just in the German tech tree.
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SuperbPledget 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:11 
引用自 RussianPuts：
引用自 Shovel Knight：
How is it a cash grab? The Coelian, Tiger 10.5 cm, and the Panther II will never be available again so they aren't earning any money there and the Maus will be returning in annual events as a reward.
They wanted players to boost their way through research is how. If it was truly for historical accuracy they would do away with WAY more than the above mentioned vehicles and not just in the German tech tree.
Examples?
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:15 
引用自 RussianPuts：
引用自 Shovel Knight：
How is it a cash grab? The Coelian, Tiger 10.5 cm, and the Panther II will never be available again so they aren't earning any money there and the Maus will be returning in annual events as a reward.
They wanted players to boost their way through research is how. If it was truly for historical accuracy they would do away with WAY more than the above mentioned vehicles and not just in the German tech tree.
They're removed them because:
- The Panther II was never meant to mount an 8.8 cm KwK 43 as that was rejected and was instead just suppose to mount a 7.5 cm KwK 42 like. The King Tiger 10.5 cm would have never worked because the turret would have been too cramped for the 10.5 cm, hence why it was never attempted in real life.
- The Coelian never got past the mockup stage and was replaced with the Ostwind II which, besides the open turret, is identical in firepower and actually had prototype made.
- The Maus was too difficult to balance due to its mediocre gun against post-war tanks but overpowered armour against wartime tanks.

It was not for historical accuracy, no one said that.
最後修改者：The Wiggly Armed Man; 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 7:06
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RussianPuts 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:16 
引用自 StandardFlex3000：
引用自 RussianPuts：
They wanted players to boost their way through research is how. If it was truly for historical accuracy they would do away with WAY more than the above mentioned vehicles and not just in the German tech tree.
Examples?
You really must not know much about ww2 military vehicles if you actually need me to provide you with examples.
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RussianPuts 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:17 
引用自 Shovel Knight：
引用自 RussianPuts：
They wanted players to boost their way through research is how. If it was truly for historical accuracy they would do away with WAY more than the above mentioned vehicles and not just in the German tech tree.
They're removed them because:
- The Panther II and the King Tiger 10.5 cm The Panther II was never meant to mount an 8.8 cm KwK 43 as that was rejected and was instead just suppose to mount a 7.5 cm KwK 42 like. The King Tiger 10.5 cm would have never worked because the turret would have been too cramped for the 10.5 cm, hence why it was never attempted in real life.
- The Coelian never got fast the mockup stage and was replaced with the Ostwind II which, besides the open turret, is identical in firepower and actually had prototype made.
- The Maus was too difficult to balance due to its mediocre gun against post-war tanks but overpowered armour against wartime tanks.

It was not for historical accuracy, no one said that.
You: ''It's not for historical accuracy, it's for historical accuracy.''
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:18 
引用自 RussianPuts：
引用自 Shovel Knight：
They're removed them because:
- The Panther II and the King Tiger 10.5 cm The Panther II was never meant to mount an 8.8 cm KwK 43 as that was rejected and was instead just suppose to mount a 7.5 cm KwK 42 like. The King Tiger 10.5 cm would have never worked because the turret would have been too cramped for the 10.5 cm, hence why it was never attempted in real life.
- The Coelian never got fast the mockup stage and was replaced with the Ostwind II which, besides the open turret, is identical in firepower and actually had prototype made.
- The Maus was too difficult to balance due to its mediocre gun against post-war tanks but overpowered armour against wartime tanks.

It was not for historical accuracy, no one said that.
You: ''It's not for historical accuracy, it's for historical accuracy.''
No, it was due to balance and that the first two vehicles didn't even exist in the way War Thunder modeled them. However, the Coelian can have historical accuracy applied to it, but it still has more to do with a better alternative being available.
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RussianPuts 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:20 
引用自 Shovel Knight：
引用自 RussianPuts：
You: ''It's not for historical accuracy, it's for historical accuracy.''
No, it was due to balance and that the first two vehicles didn't even exist in the way War Thunder modeled them. However, the Coelian can have historical accuracy applied to it, but it still has more to do with a better alternative being available.

Which isn't that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard, the player base have ALWAYS told Gaijin about how to balance them. Gaijin just doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ listen and are either too dense or lazy or just don't care about fixing the issue.
最後修改者：RussianPuts; 2019 年 9 月 15 日 上午 6:22
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