76 mm shermans overtiered

[tickle my pickle]

Compare to other medium tanks of other countries, such as panthers or t-34-85s, they are ♥♥♥♥. Less mobility than the panther and t-34-85, worse gun by far than both of these, same br as the first t-34-85 and the m4a3 76 is .4 br less than the panther. Given the fact it can be uptiered to 5.7, it will, almost always because of the popularity of 5.7. It has less armor as well. While the hull armor of the t-34-85 is ♥♥♥♥, the turret is at least trolly and can bounce a lot of shots. Seriously, no advantage in using a sherman. Is it meant to be like this?

[big Whoper]

Lol no, Shermans are good git gud

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

The shermans have some distinct advantages over the panther and the T-34-85, the Shermans have a faster reload, better pen than the T-34-85 when using AP, and low-tech STAB.

The reload on my shermans hangs around 7.0 seconds (actually, 3/4 have a sub 7 second reload). The Panther has around a 9.0 second reload and the T-34-85(D5T) has a 10 second reload (the non D5T T-34-85 has a slightly faster reload). This gives the sherman a better ability to take a followup shot, especially if you knock out their gunner, or you miss which gives you some extra time to reload before they figure out your location. The reload difference is rather significant.

The shermans AP is highly effective against the T-34-85 because the tank is rather cramped, so its quite easy to knock the crew out in the first shot through the front, and the AP round has plenty of pen to do it. Not nearly as effective against the panther, however, due to the panthers very strong upper hull and broken troll turret.

The STAB is rather handy as it stops the tank from rocking as you come to a stop, This is also rather significant because the panther and the t-34-85 would have to stop to get a clean shot off, and by the time they do that, youll already be aimed and have fired, even if you stop a little later.

When it comes to overall stats, the panther will always be the superior vehicle up until a sherman gets in close. The T-34-85 v sherman is a toss up, it really depends on who shoots first and the context of the fight. If the Sherman has raised round around him, odds are he will win due ot the T-34-85s low hull design and lack of gun depression. Meanwhile any other circumstance where the T-34-85 fires first, id give to the T-34-85

Shermans are very player dependent vehciles since they have some small advantages which need to be exploited to turn it from an average tank into a good one.

[tickle my pickle]

imo the panther is the only op 5.7 german tank. and boy is it op. when downtiered, it is faster than, has a better gun than, and has more armor than american tanks. Also pens jumbo frontally at nearly all ranges. And the t-34-85, the fact that it has like 17 more mm of pen and like 20 g more tnt equivalent along with being faster and having some reliable armor (the turret) compared to the shermans, I mean, come on. It is a flat out better tank. Sure u can knock it out in one hit, but if 2 players are of equal skill, the t-34-85 will win more than half the time.

[Spude]

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

The shermans have some distinct advantages over the panther and the T-34-85, the Shermans have a faster reload, better pen than the T-34-85 when using AP

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

Originally posted by Spud-Mann:

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

The shermans have some distinct advantages over the panther and the T-34-85, the Shermans have a faster reload, better pen than the T-34-85 when using AP

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

Better pen is better pen and it one shots T-34s no problem so yes its an advantage

[Illusionyary]

The M4A3 actually has really good maneuverability thanks to the HVSS. I don't think it's 5.3 material as fighting Tiger IIs isn't fun, but it could sit nicely at 5.0.

[saymyname]

Originally posted by lol:

Lol no, Shermans are good git gud

[Colonel Jason]

Well,A1 and A2 can use 4.7 BR in AB.Other than that they are fine.They perform well compared to short barreled M4s.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by Spud-Mann:

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

The shermans have some distinct advantages over the panther and the T-34-85, the Shermans have a faster reload, better pen than the T-34-85 when using AP

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

Its still more pen and faster reload woop-de-doo you need to git gud son. More pen is more pen, 10mm can make all the diffence if you know how to use it. I seen people crying over 10mm of pen more then once on these forums calling another tank OP for it, even though the tank they were playing still has enough pen to kill the "op" tank lol

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by Spud-Mann:

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

The shermans have some distinct advantages over the panther and the T-34-85, the Shermans have a faster reload, better pen than the T-34-85 when using AP

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

10mm more are worth a lot, i mean the 85mm is superior to the 76mm in almost every way(i guess the 76 has better apcr but who uses that?) and it overperforms against slopes to the point where most of the times it dose a better job than the short 88 plus i got it and it's a beast, like every other t34(without the t34 57, that thing is trash)

[tickle my pickle]

not to mention that the t-34 has a lower profile than the sherman. The sherman is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ huge, for real, and when you peak it exposes a completely flat side instead of the t-34s side which at least is angled to like 65 mm of thickness. If you peak in a sherman, a whirly woo can shred ur anus.

[83athom]

Originally posted by Pepe the frog:

Originally posted by Spud-Mann:

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

10mm more are worth a lot

Not when its a non-capped shell when compared to a capped shell. Non-capped shells are a lot worse against angled armor.

[skillless402]

Originally posted by i did inbred with your mom xd:

imo the panther is the only op 5.7 german tank. and boy is it op. when downtiered, it is faster than, has a better gun than, and has more armor than american tanks. Also pens jumbo frontally at nearly all ranges. And the t-34-85, the fact that it has like 17 more mm of pen and like 20 g more tnt equivalent along with being faster and having some reliable armor (the turret) compared to the shermans, I mean, come on. It is a flat out better tank. Sure u can knock it out in one hit, but if 2 players are of equal skill, the t-34-85 will win more than half the time.

the panther is not op you just have to use as it is meant to be i use the m4a2 76mm w sherman and boy it feels amazing to use this tank as long as you use it right flank and spank people i use stock rounds and i reck panthers and t 34 85 with 1 or two shots to the front of their tanks you just got to make him miss his first shot or just eat the shell

[skillless402]

Originally posted by Pepe the frog:

Originally posted by Spud-Mann:

Woop-de-doo whole 10mm of more pen with non-capped AP round.

10mm more are worth a lot, i mean the 85mm is superior to the 76mm in almost every way(i guess the 76 has better apcr but who uses that?) and it overperforms against slopes to the point where most of the times it dose a better job than the short 88 plus i got it and it's a beast, like every other t34(without the t34 57, that thing is trash)

it doesnt matter how much more pen it has i go head to head with a t34 85 any day and win with my m4a2 76 w because it has 90 mm of frontal slopped armor and that doesnt add to the angle mostt of the time they way i have it angled 85 mm will bounce or will only taake out my loader or machien gunner because how the t34 model tank is built you aim for driver hatch or at the gun no matter what the shell will take out the driver and almost everything behind him

[Jaes]

The Shermans are good tanks. However, a lot of folks don't use them correctly.

I like to think of the American Tree in both Air and Ground as a specialist tree. They're easy to get in, but you really need to sink time in to get the maximum output they're capable of.