Justified?

[Preditorian]

So first an explanation of the problem, then honest opinions of the issue at hand.

Problem:
When J35 came out I patiently grinded to it, once I purchased the plane I am once again slapped with the completely silly end of the line 3xRP requirements to unlock the modules. No biggy, I have some extra GE left over from my last purchase so I "invest" it into the plane in order to unlock the tier 4 mod rb24 to be somewhat competitive at top tier. The cost, 600GE, which was paid because the RP needed to unlock that is around 50k, which is insane in it self. So with tier 3 being a 350GE purchase for a single module I figured buy the one tier 4 module would be sufficient to avoid some suffering, but then 1.99 came out...

With 1.99 they moved the 600GE mod to tier 3, which is now 350GE and replaced it with the new rb24j missiles, which they now expect me to either pay another 600GE for or grind another 50k mod to unlock.

This to me is beyond a scumbag move since no compensation was offered(in-game or via support), but maybe I am looking at it wrong. As I see it, I paid for the tier 4 mod, thus baiting people with the end of the line missiles then switching it the very next patch feels like gaijin just punched me in my jewels.

But like I said, maybe I am just looking at it wrong. I have not been able to play a game of WT since because to me this is like that one straw people always talk about and the camel. I could just be to salty about it, but things like this after 8 years of support makes me feel like im tied up with Vaas in front of me talking about the definition of insanity.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking that value paid for something should be value kept?

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

It's called a Live Service for a Reason. This is standard practice for Live Service when they need to issue Changes and Balances.

[Preditorian]

True, but correct me if I am wrong, their direct competitor, as of the last time I played(Years ago) compensated players for small changes like this.

[Burger]

You using GE to unlock modules is your first problem.

[AttackerCat]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

This to me is beyond a scumbag move since no compensation was offered(in-game or via support),

Do you ask a steam game dev for a partial refund because you bought a game at full price and perhaps it went on 50% discount a few months later?

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Am I being unreasonable in thinking that value paid for something should be value kept?

I buy a car and it loses value over time, virtual gaming ebbs and flows, value is in personal worth, not a physical amount of wealth on a virtual machine.

[RustyNail]

A careful read of the EULA should have told what you could, and could not, expect.
I don't think it's unreasonable to wish for compensation; but it would be unreasonable to expect compensation.

[HachiRiko]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

So first an explanation of the problem, then honest opinions of the issue at hand.

Problem:
When J35 came out I patiently grinded to it, once I purchased the plane I am once again slapped with the completely silly end of the line 3xRP requirements to unlock the modules. No biggy, I have some extra GE left over from my last purchase so I "invest" it into the plane in order to unlock the tier 4 mod rb24 to be somewhat competitive at top tier. The cost, 600GE, which was paid because the RP needed to unlock that is around 50k, which is insane in it self. So with tier 3 being a 350GE purchase for a single module I figured buy the one tier 4 module would be sufficient to avoid some suffering, but then 1.99 came out...

With 1.99 they moved the 600GE mod to tier 3, which is now 350GE and replaced it with the new rb24j missiles, which they now expect me to either pay another 600GE for or grind another 50k mod to unlock.

This to me is beyond a scumbag move since no compensation was offered(in-game or via support), but maybe I am looking at it wrong. As I see it, I paid for the tier 4 mod, thus baiting people with the end of the line missiles then switching it the very next patch feels like gaijin just punched me in my jewels.

But like I said, maybe I am just looking at it wrong. I have not been able to play a game of WT since because to me this is like that one straw people always talk about and the camel. I could just be to salty about it, but things like this after 8 years of support makes me feel like im tied up with Vaas in front of me talking about the definition of insanity.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking that value paid for something should be value kept?

just grind next time

[Preditorian]

Originally posted by AttackerCat:

Originally posted by Preditorian:

This to me is beyond a scumbag move since no compensation was offered(in-game or via support),

Do you ask a steam game dev for a partial refund because you bought a game at full price and perhaps it went on 50% discount a few months later?

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Am I being unreasonable in thinking that value paid for something should be value kept?

I buy a car and it loses value over time, virtual gaming ebbs and flows, value is in personal worth, not a physical amount of wealth on a virtual machine.

Ah your one of "those".

Definition of value: #1 the monetary worth of something : market price

The "Value" of GE spent is $3.96

The direct competitors offer in game compensation for changes like this, thus making gaijin the odd man out and an oddity for not offering anything. It is not unreasonable to expect the same tier module bought to be kept, even if that means grinding the old item at a different tier.

Your comparisons are of a troll, if that is all you have to offer, then go back under the bridge.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

^To challenge a Moderator who has more knowledge and experience.......

Also from you post attitude is equivalent to acting too entitled because not all Publisher not exclusive to Gaijin are Entitled to Compensate you.

[Preditorian]

A moderator tag does not grant anyone all knowing power, if anything his attitude to a honest opinion being asked is out of line. Being condescending while in a position like his is what is more shocking.

[AttackerCat]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Ah your one of "those".

Of what?

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Definition of value: #1 the monetary worth of something : market price

The "Value" of GE spent is $3.96

If you're seeking a refund, you'll want to contact Gaijin Support -> https://support.gaijin.net/hc/en-us

Originally posted by Preditorian:

The direct competitors offer in game compensation for changes like this, thus making gaijin the odd man out and an oddity for not offering anything. It is not unreasonable to expect the same tier module bought to be kept, even if that means grinding the old item at a different tier.

If you have a suggestion that a similar system be implemented, I recommend typing a proposal up and submitting one here -> https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/611-suggestions/

Originally posted by Preditorian:

Your comparisons are of a troll, if that is all you have to offer, then go back under the bridge.

Namecalling doesn't benefit anyone, best to leave such things behind.
You asked if changing the location of a module was justified in not issuing compensation, I gave some real-life comparisons where value changes and compensation is not necessarily linked.

Originally posted by Preditorian:

A moderator tag does not grant anyone all knowing power,

I mentioned nothing of this.

Originally posted by Preditorian:

if anything his attitude to a honest opinion being asked is out of line. Being condescending while in a position like his is what is more shocking.

There was no intention of this, I apologize if it came across as so.

I recommend giving the EULA[warthunder.com] a read, as a few others have mentioned, as well as the Terms of Use[warthunder.com].
We are users of a video game, and at the end of the day live games make changes. Take CS:GO, guns go through buffs and nerfs, yet money spent on keys for a camo for them doesn't get refunded according to those performance changes.
Tanks, ships, and aircraft in WT undergo repair cost changes, BR changes, and (in this case) modifications change all the time, as with pretty much any game undergoing live updates. Nothing is ever really set in stone.

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Originally posted by Preditorian:

With 1.99 they moved the 600GE mod to tier 3, which is now 350GE and replaced it with the new rb24j missiles, which they now expect me to either pay another 600GE for or grind another 50k mod to unlock.

This to me is beyond a scumbag move since no compensation was offered(in-game or via support), but maybe I am looking at it wrong. As I see it, I paid for the tier 4 mod, thus baiting people with the end of the line missiles then switching it the very next patch feels like gaijin just punched me in my jewels.

Read the Terms of Use and EULA.

Originally posted by Preditorian:

True, but correct me if I am wrong, their direct competitor, as of the last time I played(Years ago) compensated players for small changes like this.

As the saying goes, "...Has nothing to do with the price of tea in China".

You bought a product for what it was at the time, and Gaijin reserves the right to change anything they want at any time, for any (to include "no") reason (Basically, a protection that allows them to make historical changes, and if they see need to change aspects of the game such as major updates, they can). That was what you accepted, and you agreed to hold them harmless.

Gaijin did not go, "Oh look, this user bought X, let's mix modules around just to play with them!"... It's a simple case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Posting this here is much like coming to the forum to post a name and shame/frozen account issue. It does you literally no good. The people who have the ability to help you are Support- and whether they will actually do anything or not again comes back to ToU/EULA.